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By woody173 - 9 Years Ago
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Hi i am looking very carefully at the new iClone 7 and its new features. I am interested in the curve editor but it looks like this will only be available in the pipeline version. Is this correct? If this is not so do you think it will be available in the pro version at some point. Seems like Reallusion have you by the short and curlies yet again by making you pay through the nose for a feature that is common place in most other software. Its great to say iClone is the best thing since sliced bread and it does this and that but unfortunately they dont make it very clear that you need to buy extra packs, updated versions etc to get the most from the software. I have fallen into this trap several times in the past just to be able to do the simplest of things. Perhaps a full list of what it does and the additions you will need to complete the tasks in the showcases and tutorials would be of help.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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RL has already stated the Motion Curve editor add-on will be purchasable separately (and I hope by that they mean it will be available to ALL at the same time those who have Pipeline get it). So it shouldn't be an issue (although I do tend to agree with others that this piece shouldn't have been a separate piece but I'll deal with that).
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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Maybe think about it from this point of view?
Take the Pipeline package and subtract the cost of 3DX Pro. Is the difference worth a curve editor to you? If so, it may be worth just getting the Pipeline package. The Pipeline package price includes the curve editor for "free".
Of course, everyone must way their own needs/expenses as well.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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I sure HOPE the cost of the plugin doesn't equal that difference, Rampa. For one thing, it isn't just a "difference" to many of us who have already purchased Pro (since there's no upgrade path -- we essentially would then pay double (because we'd have to buy Pipeline at full price after already paying for Pro.
Not only that but there is a LOT more functionality in Pipeline, so I would hope that the Curve Editor is a fraction of that cost (I'd be okay with $100 or so). In particular this stings since we were misled about this before we had a chance to determine (in terms of upgrading to 7/XChange.
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By 45thdiv - 9 Years Ago
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I hope it comes out at the same time. It Is one of the things I am really looking forward to with iClone7. I too thought it was coming with the pro version when I pre-ordered, but since I have already paid for the pro upgrade, I'll pay for the for the plug in. I really hope it will not cost $100 though.
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By hmadden - 9 Years Ago
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win 10 iclone 7 early crashes upon loading, need help.Thanks
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By rgreenidge - 9 Years Ago
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I just saw a separate version of the curve editor for iClone 7 will be $149, when iClone 7.1 is released. At only $119 to upgrade to iClone 7, I might just upgrade just to see if there is any difference with my projects and the amount of avatars I could add in the scenes. Lighting is already fine in my projects, I'm just wondering if I could use the facial morphing on non-CC characters. CC characters look good but take up too much memory. In my projects I prefer quantity over quality.
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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rgreenidge (5/28/2017)
I just saw a separate version of the curve editor for iClone 7 will be $149, when iClone 7.1 is released.
For those wondering where this information can be found, it's printed at the bottom of this page.
* Curve Editor (Plug-in): - Curve Editor is a paid plug-in ($149) for iClone 7.
- This plug-in will be available when iClone 7.1 releases.
- The plug-in will be included as a free bonus for any purchase of iClone 7 & 3DXchange 7 Pipeline bundles.
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By rgreenidge - 9 Years Ago
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Well It looks as though I'm going to buy iClone 7, I like most of the people here wish the things that I was impressed most with are not with 7.0, but with version 7.1 and wont be released until probably December. For myself I wish RL would not show iClone features that are made for the next version which sometimes are months away, or the paid add-ons. Just show me what I'm going to get now with iClone 7.0 the wait for it is hard enough. It sucks that the best features that are unique are not going to be included or cost more than iClone. What you do with your pre-release videos is a roller coaster ride, you show 1 minute of what coming with 7.0, 2-3 minutes of 7.1 features that wont be included and then something like hand puppet, and face detection which cost more than the mocap. I wont speak for others, but I'm not spending that on facial and hand movements and then that may not available with the version you are releasing now, it's sort of confusing and you have to take mental notes. Forget about 7.1, show us only what we get now. If you want to show what's in the future keep that on a separate video. If things are normal with a new release, to RL's credit you do fix the bugs pretty quick and I'm sure there will be a few with 7.0. So probably by July most of the bugs will be ironed out. December (well you said end of the year, and you usually mean it) is probably when 7.1 is released. Just show me 7.0, showing people 7.1 is like showing a kid his Xmas presents in May. Also I found that with the lighting features, there are some notes saying; "This and some effects are done with MARCO (i.e.)" whatever the name is. If it's not included don't show it, that should be in a separate plug in video, by those people. It seems like 7.0 is just a vessel and to see changes to 6.4 is small. Like real camera backings and lens, show that in the video, convince me that this feature is unique and does things I couldn't with the lenses in 6.4. After 7.0 released, then tell me about 7.1. I want to know what I'm paying and getting in June not December. One version or update at a time please. I'll worry about 7.1 after we get 7.0. It's like buying a 2018 car and you're showing me what the 2019 model is going to have six months later.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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I think your basic point is valid. Particularly with this release, RL seems to have promised features quite a bit in advance. While I didn't pay that much attention to earlier releases, I don't remember this being the case with 5 or 6.
My own particular take on this is that if they have allowed us early access to 7, they really ought to allow us early access to 7.1. Clearly it's in alpha right now, and perhaps even beta. But if not in beta yet, it will be soon, almost surely as soon as 7.0 is released to the general population. So why not allow those of us who will pay whatever extra it will cost for those extra features to have the same kind of early access we've had with 7.0? The sting of having to pay extra for facial mocap and curve editing will be lessened both by having it now as well as being able to test and help get the bugs out.
I'm going to keep mentioning this in the hopes that RL will see it's a win-win for all of us.
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By rgreenidge - 9 Years Ago
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When I found iClone 3 on the internet, I was thrilled my brother and I drew a few comic strips about each other, and I could only dream when I could actually put it to animation. It may have taken only a day to upgrade to Iclone3 Pro, because the version I had didn't do what they were showing you, but I didn't have to wait to get it. The first draw back I encountered was that if I wanted to edit the face, skin or clothing and they showed that it was easy to do, was that I had to have Adobe Photoshop which cost more than iClone. I'm sure they could have added a program that I could edit .jpg photos for less than that. And later versions they showed things I could do if I had Maya etc. I was not a 3D graphic artist, I did not or need to have this kind of software, I only had audio and video editing programs. And what surprised me unlike audio and video programs these add-on programs cost more than the iClone.
I'm still working on the same movie, it will have 95 scenes, I'm at 24. I've removed some scenes and added some. When a new version of Iclone came out I usually had to start all over, because I could add more things, buy better props and when the new self lighting props came out in iClone 6?, I had to start from the beginning again. iClone4 to IClone5 I had to make a big change, the mp4 encoder was not the same and up to today RL will not acknowledge it, thanks to the people on here I learned about using PNG sequential files, and to export the audio separate. I just had to buy a couple of large hard drives to store them. Between versions, I bought the Mocap twice, and every month bought a minimum of $30 from the iClone stores. I have not really been impressed with CC avatars due to their size, made any clothes for them, and though you can do much more with the heads, I thought the heads I made with iClone 3 - 6, looked more like the person I was trying to make than through Crazy Talk, where you use one eye for both eyes, and I think that was the biggest let down I ever got from RL. You spent hours making a head and once it went to iClone it looked nothing like that head.
I'm not getting any younger, I've been retired for 7 years, I'm not blaming iClone for me not finishing. But I have hundreds of other software and they don't tell you what's coming until it's that day or a few days before. How can you want to continue with your project, and you see something that would make it easier to do? But the kicker is you pay because you want it, why work on your project when you know you're going to change it, add newer props, lighting? It may be more memory friendly where you can add more things. I would love to see faster output rendering. Saying something is going to be ready in the 1st quarter instead of a month is very wide. Paying for something in November and 7 months, and two weeks later still nothing? And then every month you have a urgent looking ad, like your time is going to be up to pre-pay, like it's coming out tomorrow.
Years ago while I was still working I had so much problems I asked RL could I be a Beta tester, I don't need to be compensated I just needed a working software. Then months ago RL asked for Beta testers and I didn't reply. And it was because they never replied to my mp4 questions, and what kind of computers they were using, because I wanted one. Today it would be unfair for me to be a Beta tester having 128 GB of RAM, when the average guy on here has 16 GB. It's like me mixing a song with a 40" woofer and you have a 5". I just believe that if someone sees something he really wants in the next version, he is going to stop using iClone, because it's like putting out a song today, knowing he can get it to sound like he really wants to with the next version of tools, so why waste his time? It kind of puts you between a rock and a hard place. I prefer to wake up, check my email and get one from RL or who ever saying; we have just released new version of iClone, go to our website or You Tube to see more. Now you have choices, you can either start all over, start the improvements from that point, but you don't stop and wait until some unknown release date. Tomorrow is not promised, and I'm not that kid anymore that thinks I got another 40 years to live. A month is okay, but anything longer? Please, just surprise me when it is ready. Need the money? Then get it out. 2 months should be long enough for a pre-pay, 3 or more is crazy, that's just my opinion.
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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I *suspect* you're talking about the notices that RL is putting out about this being the last time to get the 7 pre-release price -- if so, you should do it now if you do intend to do it, since they have clearly stated it will be available either this month or next.
But as to the other I'm not really sure what your complaints are. You seem to be, sort of, upset that software gets better, or can use other tools to be better, but you do then upgrade and seem satisfied. You don't want to be a beta because... you think your system is too good for most folks? That's kind of crazy, since a good beta can find issues with all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the machine the software runs on. But even if it were true, so what? Being an early adopter (which isn't really the same as a beta tester, although RL confused the issue this time around, having both) does mean you get a chance to use the software first. I've been glad I've had the chance to play with 7 and I did report a thing or two (because I not only have a decent machine like you have, I have three or four of them, and all of them are different because they have different video cards, some are laptops, some are desktops, and all behave somewhat differently with iClone).
There is no one stop solution for all problems with creating animations. iClone comes close, of course, but expecting it to also have a kick-ass paint program (like Photoshop) or being able to model in it (like Maya) is a bit unreasonable. If it DID do all of those things it would cost a TON more (and then I suspect you'd complain about that).
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By rgreenidge - 9 Years Ago
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First I'll make things more clearer. I bought hundreds of video, audio and photo programs. Nobody but RL has had pre-release prices that were longer than 3 months. If I'm wrong show me, been on the internet since 1988. Yes I ordered iC7 and liked every update since iC6. iC7 I see nothing special. The curve editor is not included, it probably wont save time because you still have to experiment. The camera backings are a joke, all you have to do now is go to the rendering output sizes and change that if you want a certain pixel size, and why? If you're going to be a beta tester, you should have a computer with the minimum requirements, that way you should run into the same problems as those with less powerful computers, 16GB of RAM seems to be the average on here. RL gives the illusion that most people think they can have 100 avatars in one scene, or you can have 4GB project file. They never specify the limit of RAM to project size ratios. They made statements like unlimited lights, and that's not true at all, that too is based on RAM. Virtual memory on the drives are very important too. Nobody needs Photoshop, a simple cheap jpg paint editing program, could have been included to correct faces, design or edit clothes. Every video and audio program I have, includes other file formats other than theirs that are included in the price. I'm sure all these high price 3D model programs would had no problem with iCloners down loading their files paying for the models, without having to buy 3D exchange. I still use 3DX5, because I only use SKP files. Nothing wrong with most models in the Iclone stores. Though it's not the greatest solution, pre-pay with a credit card, but your card is not charged until the product is released. Maybe it would make them work longer and faster? Yes there will be bugs, there are still bugs on iClone 6. I know a lot of bugs with iC6, why have I stop helping. Because I am a open honest person, and I expect the same. RL, has not showed me this. When I ask a question more than twice and I get crickets... Guess what... I can be silent too. I'll find a way to get around a problem it may take longer, but you make your bed. My major complaint is show what's included, not what isn't. I don't have buttons on my other software where I click and I have to buy something else, like a photo editor. All the great stuff you see is included in their software, not some other. Nobody shows you a video player when they are advertising a TV. Have a button for that; like add on extras... Have a great weekend..
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By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
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Quite honestly, if I were RL I wouldn't respond to you either. You are WAY off track here in oh so many ways it's not worth my time to continue.
The good news -- no one's forcing you to buy anything. Have a great weekend.
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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RL gives the illusion that most people think they can have 100 avatars in one scene ?????
Where??? Is it a metaphor? :ermm:
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