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By Flipper71 - 8 Years Ago
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Has anyone been making any money with iclone or animation?
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By animagic - 8 Years Ago
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Flipper71 (4/1/2017)
Has anyone been making any money with iclone or animation?
For one, wungun is getting a show on Netflix that he will be talking about: https://forum.reallusion.com/321750/Netflix-project-on-Next-week-Live-show-Listing-Inside.
But there are others as well that use iClone professionally.
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By Kevin.S - 8 Years Ago
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Im an ok freelance artist but I have had very little luck with any freelance work doing animation, "Keep the day job "
but im sure some people are using it somewhere and getting paid but its not common.:) Working for a studio is the best bet ..
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By jollyro - 8 Years Ago
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What do you expect? Buying a Program and start to make money? IClone is a tool like Photoshop or Premiere. It all depends on what are you doing and what are you trying to archive. Mostly it is the creative mind, that can make some money but not the tool itself.
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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I can't complain. iClone has been very good to me for the last few years.;)
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By hattori kun - 8 Years Ago
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I use it primarily for motion blending then exporting it to other appz. So its a cheap alternative to mobu.
But with the renderer getting better I might use it on some projects that don't require absolute photorealism.
So still deciding if to go with Iclone renderer or Unreal. Its just easier to import animations in Unreal which make it more enticing.
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By web3 - 8 Years Ago
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In my opinion using iClone alone will not make a ton of money. I think where you have the best shot to make a good amount is when you use it effectively as part of a pipeline. It depends on how unique your work is and how well it's done. For example I typically start an organic model in Maya to form my basic topo, then I move over to ZBrush to add tons of detail. I then usually retopo my model with something like topogun bring it back into ZBrush and project for normal mapping and AO. Finally I bring both the high and low poly version into Knald for map generation. Now I've hopefully got something unique and only then do I start thinking about using iClone. Of course I develop assets for games so my pipeline might look nothing like someone who produces video animation ;-)
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By mtakerkart - 8 Years Ago
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I made 2 payed jobs last year . One are stilyzed animated maps from USA East cost for a documentary. The second was an opening title for a TV show pilot.
But seriously I'm not yet trying to own money before the facial mocap release.
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By urbanlamb - 8 Years Ago
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Indeed I think its possible to make money with iclone. I am a bit wierd but I can verify its possible I get asked once or twice a year out of the blue, but I am not into making money from iclone really and usually say no. I said yes like once and because i am retired and now walk to the beat of my own drum I found it too much like well 'work' cause it was so i say no all the time now hehe.
On that note I dont know if its necessarily a good way to approach iclone or anything else artsy fartsy with the end goal of it must make money. Its art and if people like said art it doesnt matter what software was used to make it if people like what you do then money is almost a side effect. Granted its a nice side effect but the phrase "starving artist" exists for a reason :hehe:
(guess i should say what it was so people get an idea of how its been used in my case it was a series of very borring videos on recycling ... they wanted stuff like talking recycle bins and trash cans.. so.. i did it and was glad when it was over..)
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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....I'll admit at this point in time iClone projects are not my primary source of income but it is starting to catch up. My media production business as been around since 1974. That business has done everything from music videos, documentary films, live television, industrial training films and corporate video. Always scattered throughout was graphic design and animation. Animation came about when NewTek launched the Video Toaster and Lightwave 3d back in the late '80's. I was never that good with Lightwave it but it did allow me to do some corporate work for companies like Bridgestone Tire and many local record labels. Lately as my primary business has slowed down iClone ventures and projects have started to get more of the lion's share of my business. Just finished a project for Danon Yogurt, Ascension Health and LifeFilez LLC and my Animated Projections are bringing in clients from all over the world.
The simple key, for me, was finding just the right customer/project for my skill-set and iClone's capabilities :) At this point in time the sky's the limit! ;)
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By animagic - 8 Years Ago
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I think I'm at a point that I'm getting good enough to do client work, but that also involves knowing how to run a business and that's a whole other can of worms.
I am more interested in making my films the way I want to and then find some form of distribution outlet. In that sense I'm very interested in seeing how Wungun will make out with Netflix.
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By hattori kun - 8 Years Ago
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mark (4/3/2017)
....I'll admit at this point in time iClone projects are not my primary source of income but it is starting to catch up. My media production business as been around since 1974. That business has done everything from music videos, documentary films, live television, industrial training films and corporate video. Always scattered throughout was graphic design and animation. Animation came about when NewTek launched the Video Toaster and Lightwave 3d back in the late '80's. I was never that good with Lightwave it but it did allow me to do some corporate work for companies like Bridgestone Tire and many local record labels. Lately as my primary business has slowed down iClone ventures and projects have started to get more of the lion's share of my business. Just finished a project for Danon Yogurt, Ascension Health and LifeFilez LLC and my Animated Projections are bringing in clients from all over the world.
The simple key, for me, was finding just the right customer/project for my skill-set and iClone's capabilities :) At this point in time the sky's the limit! ;)
How are you doing your cg projections? Are you just eyeballing it in Iclone to match the real world set?
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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How are you doing your cg projections? Are you just eyeballing it in Iclone to match the real world set?
I'm simply creating animations that will be projected on the rear cyc curtain of the theater. Most productions then build set-pieces to move in and out of a given scene in front of the cyc curtain. If they are fortunate enough to have a nice distance from the projector they won't have any "light-spill" on the set-pieces or actors.
Basically anything that would have, at one time, been painted on a backdrop is replaced by my animated projection. It's working surprisingly well in many productions. When I started doing this I really had on idea there were this many theaters doing projection...totally clueless. :P
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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I think creative people will always find a way to utilize the tools at hand to achieve their purpose. ;)
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By wungun - 8 Years Ago
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Well can you make money with iclone? Well that depends on what you are currently doing with it, If you are making nothing but weird crap and dance videos--well no. I make a lot of animation with iclone and I get inquiries to do paid animation. I get Request from doing animated porn to animating ninja cats, some of the work i do and some well i just will not do. Do your best work and show it to people do a 1-3 min animation of something cool
like this
or something like this
To get some heads turning your way let your talent be on display 24/7.
Build your portfolio up and don't be scared to expose your work. The more of you you put out there the more you will be approached by people who want to give you money.
Sell your Talent man! Ya cant make money without it.
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By urbanlamb - 8 Years Ago
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mark (4/4/2017)
I think creative people will always find a way to utilize the tools at hand to achieve their purpose. ;)
Indeed I am a walking "go away" sign, but I am quite certain if i did not turn down what has come my way I would be getting more asks (well that and the fact I have had to burry my email and phone number so people would have trouble finding me so i dont get more asks lol). If you want to do the work and know how to sell yourself then people will be contacting you and local business where you live is not too bad to get I find anyhow its never been an issue when i did want business I got it...
If what you do is something they want and if your any good at it .. you will get business...
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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I know you would have a lot of experience to offer a client 'lamb from what I've seen! The beauty for me has always been I take only the projects I want to do. And from time to time take on one that's a bit of a challenge just to stay fresh! :P:P
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By urbanlamb - 8 Years Ago
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haha thanks yeah i dont really do it for others much anymore (i like to sell some few assets) but I mean it when I say "its scary inside my head" i come up with some strange stuff but its fun.
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By Kevin.S - 8 Years Ago
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I am trying to get a store all set up on my website, I have never tried to sell anything I have created,
so it will be interesting to see how it works out.:)
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By animagic - 8 Years Ago
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Kevin.S (4/5/2017)
I am trying to get a store all set up on my website, I have never tried to sell anything I have created,
so it will be interesting to see how it works out.:)
Good luck, Kevin. You have shown your talents, so it will be interesting.
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By Waterlane Studios - 8 Years Ago
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I've worked professionally in the Games Industry before, as both a 3D Artist and Animator... over a range of companies, from small to large - Now I'm setting up my own company with Reallusion being a part of my pipeline...
So can money be made? Hopefully. ;-)
Dave
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By Space 3D - 8 Years Ago
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iClone is just software.
Combination iClone with another tool will make better for ' Make Money " ( Pipeline Line or workflow with the other tool will better )
Firts think ---------> What are you doing with the software?
For example :
- Combination 3D printer tool with iClone ( We can sell 3D printer model )
- Combination VR 360 Photography or Video with iClone ( We can sell VR 360 )
- Combination Autodesk Software with iClone ( We produced film animation )
- Combination Blender , Sketchup with iClone ( We can sell 3D model )
- Combination Mocap Motion with iClone ( We can sell motion as Fbx and BVH )
- Combination Photoshop, GIMP, Paint , Sketchup , V Ray with iClone ( We can sell arsitecture model with rendering )
- and more business
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Visit Space 3D Gallery - http://city.reallusion.com/store/space3D
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By hattori kun - 8 Years Ago
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mark (4/4/2017)
How are you doing your cg projections? Are you just eyeballing it in Iclone to match the real world set?
I'm simply creating animations that will be projected on the rear cyc curtain of the theater. Most productions then build set-pieces to move in and out of a given scene in front of the cyc curtain. If they are fortunate enough to have a nice distance from the projector they won't have any "light-spill" on the set-pieces or actors. Basically anything that would have, at one time, been painted on a backdrop is replaced by my animated projection. It's working surprisingly well in many productions. When I started doing this I really had on idea there were this many theaters doing projection...totally clueless. :P
Ah I see. I saw an Unreal3d video that uses the same straightforward approach to projecting background in a London opera using graphics from Unreal engine. Probably you're doing the same stage bg.
We've done a few projections on buildings but needed some real world measurements and a special multi lens projector. I never did learn how the actual projector works.
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By toystorylab - 8 Years Ago
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Hm, making money...
I guess making money is always cool.
First of all you will have to find somebody who wants/needs your skills ;-) And is willing to pay it fair...
For that, the only way is, like Wungun said, show your skills, cry it out load that you are there!
A good beginning could be contacting local bands, who need a cool music-video...
After that, first of all, consider how fast you can achieve the clients wishes.
If you need much more time than a "Pro" could do it, it will be hard to earn a fair charge.
And if you know how fast you can do the work, you can consider how much is that worth.
How much do you want to be paid, hourly wage?
I earn money with iClone but it is not easy to calculate the project costs...
Clients want to know how much it will cost in advance and want to pay as less as possible ;-)
My first job took me much more time as calculated, so my hourly wage was decreasing immensely.
If you feel fine to do some stuff for a few bucks an hour...
But if you ask for toooo much money, you won't get the job!
My current comissioned work (Visualisation Audio Book 45 minutes) went also that way,
but i could convince my client to raise the fixed fee ;-)
So, making money with iClone is definitely possible but it's hard to find clients willing to pay what you want/need/deserve...
You won't get rich with it and working for less in the beginning is always an option ;-)
And as others already said, try to find jobs you really want to do and have fun doing it!
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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Yep the toughest part is figuring out how much for your time. As you say toystory' clients want to pay a "flat-fee" but one never quite knows how much time (that's money ya know) it might take to do a specific project. Especially when the client needs "little" changes here and there...that can run one ragged!!! I usually build into the contract a certain number of changes until we need to add to the bill. I will usually do a free sample first to get an idea of what they are looking for then I at least know we're close to what they want.
But trust me I got into iClone because it was first FUN!!!! Only later did I realize I could make money and have fun at the same time!!! :P:P:P
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By Rain7dv - 8 Years Ago
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Bro no offense but socialblade shows the income you are making from you and it's not a lot of money bro. https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/smallwstudio here's your income right here.
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By urbanlamb - 8 Years Ago
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huh what does his add revenue have to do with him selling content to people who are using it offline in theatres and stuff?.
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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Yes, it is possible to make money with iClone. At least a little.
I am primarily a hobbyist who plays with iClone (and other tools) for my own education and enjoyment. However, I have managed to get paid for some iClone work a couple of times. I kept track of the effort I put into it, and the hourly wages were meager. However, it did pay for my GTX 1080 with money left over for future purchases.
The hardest part was the money conversation, especially with someone I've never met before. Can he trust me to deliver? Can I trust him to pay?
Skipping the details of a long story, we came to a mutually agreeable fixed fee for a series of "deliverable modules." Initially, I had to create the character, set, and lighting, so the first module was really an investment on my part, and I was taking most of the financial risk at that point. As the work progressed, and I was able to re-use more assets, my "dollars-per-hour" increased. As a hobbyist who was happy for some "fun money" it was a reasonable arrangement.
It was a rewarding experience, and I'd be open to doing it again. Eventually I'll want to upgrade my CPU and motherboard someday... ;)
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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Yep rain'! That's YouTube, pretty pitiful but as 'lamb says that's not where I make my income ;)
But come to think of it, 20 bucks a year may not be much to you but to me it's a night on the town!!! :P:P:P:P
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By hattori kun - 8 Years Ago
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You're not going to make good money on youtube with iclone videos regardless of what you upload and who is uploading their animations.
You need a million view to make at least 2000 bucks. That's how much youtube pays per million views.
The most prolific iclone users on youtube are not even getting more than 10000 views.
Its better to make food reviews and travel blogs in youtube :D
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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Amen brother!!!:D
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By animatom - 8 Years Ago
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If I may offer one very important, in fact crucial, advice for making money: never, in any circumstances, however good and efficient workaholic bastard you may be, don't be a business idiot as I am.
Simple as that.
I did some big, high productions in iClone for big money, as for band Muse for example, I am educated film maker, fast, good, original (and modest as you can see), and I still have to empty my bank account if I need to buy new graphic card. When I am lucky to have some on it. Right now, my life of film director and animator in numbers are 5 dollars on Paypal account and 9 in a bank. Living in rented apartment and driving 22 years old Audi A4.
So, do not be me, and you have a chance. :)
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By planetstardragon - 8 Years Ago
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here's the answer -
Support and Help people for free, to the point that they can't imagine being without you. This works.
Like any business, there is no real profit at the beginning.
and read this book
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By hattori kun - 8 Years Ago
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Is sociablade reliable?
This channel posting disney videos is earning 1.9 million a year. Lol!
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/naranjita06
Even at 118k its not bad for posting disney video. Haha
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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It could be correct I make very little money on YouTube. I remember my first check after about 3 or more years of having my little channel up was about $100.00 USD I was elated!!!:P:P:P 'course YouTube is not where I make may sales but it's great for promotion with millions of folks tuning in. I was amazed at how many folks did "blind" searches looking for projections and came to my clips. It's so very important to have good "Tag" words when people do their search.
Of course I put a visual "bugs" on my promotional clips so they are pretty much worthless for someone to download and try and use.
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By Tarampa Studios - 8 Years Ago
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I've only just started selling training video animations and animated ads for local businesses, which is nice pocket money, but it's like any artitst. If you don't physically go out and find the work for yourself, then you need to be everywhere at once online with lots of good tags to help buyers find you.
But don't limit yourself to thinking only about sales of animations. Still shots can make money too.
e.g. In my local newsagent this week is a stand of greeting cards with images made using iClone characters by 3DUniverse... (just the characters in cute poses with white or coloured backgrounds)... + a funny greeting message on the front (blank inside)... and they're selling like hotcakes.
If you're really talented with scenery, then magazine and book publishers are always seeking images for their latest editions... but you'd need to be as good as AnimatmyArt first, I think... and if you are, then list a few scenes with all the image libraries, where publishers go to find images they want using the keywords about what is in the image... like shutterstock, dreamstime etc...
And then there's book covers for the ravenous indie author market, where this old post might help to inspire you too...
https://forum.reallusion.com/240114/Top-10-Tips-on-how-to-market-your-art-as-book-covers
Sky is the limit - except your need to paint your own sky, and keep it held up with hard work, lol
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By hattori kun - 8 Years Ago
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mark (4/14/2017)
It could be correct I make very little money on YouTube. I remember my first check after about 3 or more years of having my little channel up was about $100.00 USD I was elated!!!:P:P:P 'course YouTube is not where I make may sales but it's great for promotion with millions of folks tuning in. I was amazed at how many folks did "blind" searches looking for projections and came to my clips. It's so very important to have good "Tag" words when people do their search.
Of course I put a visual "bugs" on my promotional clips so they are pretty much worthless for someone to download and try and use.
It says I'm making 7 bucks a month. But I'm actually making 40 cents a month. Hahahah
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By Kevin.S - 8 Years Ago
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If you put in the time and effort and put your name out there with lots of demo work you might get a few jobs,
But it does take some time and some social networking etc..
Demo work is key .....
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By mark - 8 Years Ago
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It says I'm making 7 bucks a month. But I'm actually making 40 cents a month. Hahahah
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!! Real money!!! :P:P:P And if you invest wisely.....:D:D
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