dogged2003 (1/26/2017)

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Well. But where is the animation? Got out of the car, closed the door, climbed the stairs, taking out the keys, opened the door, took the juice in the fridge, opened, poured into a glass, sat down on the sofa, took off her shoes, hit the juice, took off his shirt and threw it on the floor... Put on pajamas... covered himself with the blanket... In a dream he saw a ship sailing in the ocean ...

kevin.S (1/26/2017)

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It's progress in the right direction
my concern is the fact that I see so many other programs being used to achieve certain goals / effects.
Still no god rays or particle system or water physics etc etc...we shall see..... dont get me wrong I love iclone but I
would love to see some power user features.

mr_vidius (1/26/2017)

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I'm just wondering when they are going to fix iclone 6. 7 looks good so far. but I'm not buying till 6 is fixed.

justaviking (1/26/2017)

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While I appreciate your passion, I am not enjoying seeing your LARGE banner plastered at the end of several threads, especially when you don't even bother to add a comment sometimes.

As this point, the odds of any significant releases to iC6 being released are near zero.  Like it or not, I think you know that's reality.

What fixes, specifically, are you looking for?  Maybe some early-access people can verify for you if the fixes you need will be in iC7.

mtakerkart (1/27/2017)

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interesting.....

mr_vidius(1/27/2017)

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well dear sir.. too bad if you do not enjoy my postings. although I'm impressed that they got your attention.
the only reason I'm doing it. is because we who use windows 7 have not heard a peep form RL about them fixing the issues we are facing.
although I have considered that RL will not fix iclone 6. because they are way too busy with 7. so after waiting over 2 months.. I decided to do
a little attention getting. further more.. I do understand that you, and your fellow "forum gods" are so impressed with iclone 7 features that you are shown.
that you could care less about the rest of us. and your comment, quote: "Maybe some early-access people can verify for you if the fixes you need will be in iC7" unquote.
this coming from you is absurd. and quite disturbing. considering that I have respect for you. which is now being flushed down the hopper. issues with iclone 6 should
be fixed! and not fixed in iclone 7! what the heck are you thinking? your not. bet your bottom dollar, that it will appear in iclone 7.

vidius

justaviking (1/26/2017)

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While I appreciate your passion, I am not enjoying seeing your LARGE banner plastered at the end of several threads, especially when you don't even bother to add a comment sometimes.

As this point, the odds of any significant releases to iC6 being released are near zero.  Like it or not, I think you know that's reality.

What fixes, specifically, are you looking for?  Maybe some early-access people can verify for you if the fixes you need will be in iC7.

planetstardragon (1/26/2017)

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i agree,  i personally want the stuff fixed that I can't do with video editor,   you can fake god rays in a video editor,  but it's not possible to fake fixing sliding feet, mechanical motions, or smiling faces in a video editor.  -  at least that's where my focus is at,  decrease limitations and speed up workflow.   Like i said in another post,  they'd have to revamp the particle effects to be able to do better hair and godrays -  so the choice would then be to wait another 6 months to a year for an update vs looking at what they've already done and getting a release on that much.

yoyomaster (1/27/2017)

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Very excited about all the new features, much more then what I anticipated!

Got a few question though, will the facial mocap plugin absolutely need Faceware Live, can it use other systems, like Facerig Studio, or can it work on its own?

And the page says that it will be available in version 7.1 of iClone, so I was wondering if we could get an idea of the timetable for iClone 7 and 7.1 release, got a big project coming, I would love to do it in iClone 7.x, I can postpone it for a while, but not for like a year.

All this said, great work, it sure made my day.

planetstardragon (1/27/2017)

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@Roberto,  if you look at the product page,  they added dates under the videos,   next video is slated for March.

and yes,  the api will be interesting,  but i'll save my excitement for after i see how much access is allowed.

planetstardragon (1/27/2017)

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sadly,  my policies have changed.   I'm just watching for ic7 and helping a few friendly faces while i wait. it's wonderful to see you too! -bro fist-

animagic (1/28/2017)

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I think it's a better policy. There's something called enabling, which had to effect of turning any thread into a fight. It got old after a while.

planetstardragon (1/28/2017)

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ironically, that's what you are doing now.   it's called instigating.  I'm commenting on a product I paid for,  not on you. 
Please don't start.   Thank You.

planetstardragon (1/29/2017)

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-hugs-  its okie Animagic / Job -  this forum has been a hotspot for a long time,  I admit i've had my fair share of flame wars,  but it has always been in defense of new members and the company.   Unfortunately my new policy is to no longer defend reallusion,  there is just too much negativity that comes with it that only backfires on you.   People who pay for a product have a right to ask for what they paid for.   I respect that 

I'm actually very friendly,  just not one to take abusive behavior lightly.  

sw00000p (1/30/2017)

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Anyone with an ounce of (Advanced Pro Tool) knowledge "Respects" how Reallusion is promoting  PBR.
iClone will NOT render PBR (Real-Time) and it's promoted as supporting it.

sw00000p (1/31/2017)

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Did RL say IC7 will render PBR in real time???
...don't confuse preview with final output.

"Simply do this for yourself.... one time.... and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about."

Here is one example of real time PBR rendering.

sw00000p (1/31/2017)

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Hey JV,
As IC 7 isn't finished... maybe RL has another awesome surprise for all of us.
They made a motion graph editor / api / real camera and GI.... PBR real-time is possible, too.

justaviking (1/30/2017)

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Hi sw00000p,

I have an honest, non-antagonist question for you.  What is your definition of "real-time?"

iClone has always been marketed as a "real-time" animation application, or words to that effect.  Is it, per your definition?

With my new GTX 1080 graphics card, I can preview my project at or near 60 fps.  That is very real-time.  When I render it, it takes 10x time.  A 1-minute video takes 10 minutes to render to a 1920x1080 MP4 video file, depending on the quality settings for shadows and what not.  It takes 20 minutes to render the 1-minute video if I turn on 2x2 anti-aliasing.  Clearly that is not a real-time render.

As a contrast, something like Indigo, or Blender cycles, or Iray, can easily take minutes-per frame, so it could take easily take 1 to 3 hours to render a single second of animation.  Very obviously not real-time rendering, even on a robust home computer.

So when you say "iClone will NOT render PBR (Real-Time" I want to know how to interpret that statement.  Will it be significantly slower than iClone 6?  Are you saying it will not even preview PBR in real-time?  Or are simply saying it will take more than one minute to render your 1-minute project (like in iClone 5 and iClone 6)?

Honestly, I'm not poking at you.  I simply want to be sure I'm understanding you clearly.  Sharing a common language helps us (everyone) have better conversations.

Lastly, how do you know this?  (Your answer to my first question might answer this last question.)

The first 3 examples all have elaborate textures and balanced lighting. The IC7 example has terrible lighting and the texture being used can be much better, which would give a better result. I can even make it look better in IC6. 

But, RL is NOT finished yet!

sw00000p (2/4/2017)

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RL will beef up their shaders.... just look at all of the new functionality added to iC7.
In time, iClone WILL have Badazz Particles, TOO!

Acid Rain (2/3/2017)

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Nvidia FaceWorks


IClone 7 Shader 


It Definately need Improvements 

justaviking (2/4/2017)

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I don't know if it will have subsurface scattering like the FaceWorks example, but it can definitely look better than the mannequin-looking example.
Look at this Adolf's post showing what he's done with the CC 2.
I suspect he was focusing on the clothing, and he says he "converted them" with very little effort.  It already looks pretty good and I'm sure it could be improved even more.  Lighting matters!
I'm not saying it competes with Daz, but it looks a lot better than the one above.
His thread... https://forum.reallusion.com/FindPost312292.aspx

justaviking (2/4/2017)

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../..Lighting is something I know I need to improve on.  I'm aware of it, but usually fail to give it adequate attention on my projects.  It makes a huge difference, though../..

justaviking (2/4/2017)

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../..It sure would be fun to have a little 4 or 5 person iClone team (or club) that could collaborate on an iClone project.  I know we could do it virtually, but it would be more fun to hang out at each other's place on the weekends.  One could focus on lighting, one on texturing, one on modeling.... sort of like a miniature animation studio../..

justaviking (2/4/2017)

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../..I remain very excited about iClone 7.  The gap between want I could achieve and what I actually do achieve will grow by leaps and bounds.  My biggest limitation continues to be me.