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By Tesira - 8 Years Ago
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Exiting, Character Creator 2 is here!
I have started it and gotten an error message:
After pressing Retry all has worked ok.
First I have loaded a CC 1.5 Project.
I have converted to PBR Outfit, how described here: https://forum.reallusion.com/309181/6-Convert-Characters-from-Classic-to-PBR
Have added a texture for the metallic channel and played a bit arround with the textures and the atmosphere:
The export as iClone7 has worked, the export as iClone 6.5 has brought an error:
So it was a good start for today with much more possibilities. Thanks Reallusion.
Tesira
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By Tesira - 8 Years Ago
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Today I have tried the Mesh Modifier.
I have 2 feathers at my hat. Now I have selected a part of one feather.
If I change this part, also the second feather is changed.
Also I have had a crash of the Character Creator during the work with the mesh modifier. But can't reproduce until now.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 8 Years Ago
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Now I have experimented a bit with the skin.
This is my original 1.5 Character.
Now I have changed from classic to PBR in the texture tab.
This has not changed so much, so I have changed the metallic texture and the atmosphere.
Here I have dropped an atmosphere from iClone in my scene of the character creator.
Finally I have switched back in classic mode and this was odd - the moving effect was with classic greater than with PBR.
No clue, if this is right, or if here some flags are switched in a false way.
Have a nice time
Tesira
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By Tesira - 8 Years Ago
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Today I have made some tests with the Appearance editor.
This is the original character:
Now in PBR:
With a iClone atmosphere:
Now I go in appearance editor, where I get a message:
If I clear the unused channels, I get this result: All dos look a bit odd. I don't know, what this function dos clear or remove.
If I keep the unused channels, all is ok also after the changes in the editor.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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I think your "Clear/Keep" issue is related to something I found.... something I thought I submitted to FeedBack Tracker, but I don't see it there (yet), so maybe I only put it in a forum post.
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By wires - 8 Years Ago
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I reported it in the Feedback Tracker issue 1965. :)
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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wires (12/31/2016)
I reported it in the Feedback Tracker issue 1965. :)
Ha, you beat me by a minute.
I just added a comment to the Issue.
Thanks again for reporting it, Gerry.
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By wires - 8 Years Ago
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I reported it in the Feedback Tracker issue 1965. :)
Dennis elaborated on the issue in this post, and also added a comment in the Feedback Tracker.
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By Tesira - 8 Years Ago
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hi justaviking,
I think you mean this http://www.reallusion.com/FeedBackTracker/Issue/Unexpected-results-when-loading-the-Appearence-Editor-for-PBR-materials. I have voted there already.
And here my first attachment with CharacterCreator2.
Happy New Year to you all.
Tesira
P.s. upps wires, justawiking you beat me by 8 min :)
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Today I have played with the Visuals. I have loaded a new picture and changed the parameters a bit.
Until now I don't understand, how we can use it. Is it for adjusting the avatar?
Will something of this saved with the avatar?
Have a good start in 2017
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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I have loaded a png file in the roughness channel.
Now I have inverted it. After inverting the image was gone and after the launching I have gotten a fully clear image.
This dos happen with all channels. http://www.reallusion.com/FeedBackTracker/Issue/The-result-of-inverting-a-png-texture-is-for-all-channels-a-fully-clear-picture
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By Rampa - 7 Years Ago
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I reported that in the iC7 beta in the feedback tracker. Same issue, as the same code is used.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Ahh ok, well I also have reported it here now. http://www.reallusion.com/FeedBackTracker/Issue/The-result-of-inverting-a-png-texture-is-for-all-channels-a-fully-clear-picture
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Today I have made my first fbx export with Blender 2.78. Well, the import in CC has worked, but I until now have great problems with the material.
After some calibration and loading of textures I have gotten this.
Here I have loaded my projekt from CC 1.5.
So until now I don't know, what is the best way, to work with the materials.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Now I have loaded Essential10. It dos look allready after loading all a bit odd, but if I try to open the Appearance Editor, it has needed maybe 4 min to open it and if I move a slider it dos always hang.
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By wires - 7 Years Ago
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I just loaded a Project from the Essentials Pack, and one from the Professional Outfits pack without any problems. Changing the materials from "Classic" to PBR also didn't cause any problems.
Added:
The only "problem" that I encountered was a warning message about missing Morph Sliders from the Essential Morph Pack. I don't have this installed on the Beta.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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wires, have you tried Essential 10 and loading the Appearance Editor for the Skirt?
In CC1.5 this Character dos look ok.
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By wires - 7 Years Ago
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Here she is in CC 2 Beta, set up as in your CC 1.5 shot:
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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oh wires, look at the hairs and the patterns in the skirt. It is how my CC2.0 picture.
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By wires - 7 Years Ago
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Most of the visual differences have to do with how each version lights the scene.
Dress CC 1.5
Dress CC 2 Beta:
Hair CC 1.5:
Hair CC 2 Beta:
We are going to have to "learn" how to deal with this changed lighting system, at how shadows are cast.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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wires, I don't think, that this is only connected with shadow and light. I have changed a lot, without getting a really good result.
All the odd effects I have seen meantime are all connected with .png textures and/or opacity. Maybe there really is an error in the calculations.
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By brainsguy - 7 Years Ago
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Experimenting with metals
1.5 and then 2.0
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Well brainsguy, with the metallic also some is very odd.
If I make the metallic parts in in the metallic and roughness channel black, the colors are nearly so how in the texture. The nonmetallic parts are white.
Here I have inverted the metallic channel:
Here I have inverted the roughness channel:
Here are both channels inverted:
Here the metallic channel is fully white:
Also a bug - the brightness -100 dos give white and 100 dos give black.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Meantime I have seen, that this dos happen with the brightness -100 ->white texture and 100 (black) only, if the texture is inverted. So maybe not a bug, but confusing.
Here we go fully metallic with a black texture in the roughness channel and a white in the metallic.
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By justaviking - 7 Years Ago
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Yes, "all metal" with "zero roughness" should be extremely shiny.
No roughness = total smoothness
It really should be "zero" rather than "-100."
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By brainsguy - 7 Years Ago
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Sorry my post wasn't supposed to be here. I thought I was posting in one of the other topics.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Yes justaving.
You are welcome brainsguy, so I also have delt a bit more with metallic :)
Here I have worn the pirate lady to my little girl. It fits well, So cool.
Only the gloves are to small.
And I have problems with conform. There happen odd things. Here the result of increasing the gloves:
But this dos not work always in the same way. Sometime the effect is haevy, sometime it dos work a bit, how it should.
Sometime it dos already happen, if I click with the mouse at the gloves.
So it is hard to find the reason for this.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Rampa - 7 Years Ago
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What a great pirate costume for your little girl Tesira! :)
There might be some displacement on the glove material. That would cause that. I usually hide the body mesh if it is fully hidden by clothing. You use the mesh edit tool to select and hide parts of the mesh.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Well rampa, the gloves were really fully deformed after this effect. There also the hide mesh would not help. We seems to have here really a bug.
Here we have worn the next outfit.
The shoes were much to great and also conform hasn't helped.
So I have used the mesh editor, this has worked well.
With this character also the appearance editor has loaded fast and has done, what he should.
I only have had problems with the nails. Nothing has worked, I have 5 times tried, to change the color. But suddenly all was ok.
So again hard to say, what was here the problem.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Rampa - 7 Years Ago
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I've had problems scaling outfits before. Especially shoes.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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All these effects, which are not so right to reproduce, dos look how a memory leak and/or an overwriting of variables.
So I have tested a bit the memory use
after loading of CC 431.740
load the child avatar with hoodi 571.988
load the child avatar with skirt 565.292
open Appearance Editor 1500.116
unload Appearance Editor 759.504
loading again girl with hoodi 785.740
And this seems to become more over the time.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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After some loading of different characters, opening and closing of the appearance editor I have loaded again the girl with the hoodi.
Now the memory use is already 1.561.352K
But today the conform and increasing of the gloves has worked without some problem.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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The CapeShawl from the Essentials dos not work for me not in CC not in iClone.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Meantime I have learned some about the substance editor and made some material.
This dos work well in CC.
But also I have found again some odd effect. After some working the sliders fully have not worked more. After new start all was ok again.
Then the brightness of the opacity texture has no effect at the opacity.
But if I invert the texture, the dress is fully transparent.
Have a nice sunday
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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And here the next test. If I load a jpg texture in the opacity channel, the opacity dos work right. The texture from the test before was a png texture.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Now a test of the Appearance editor. I can load there a new material, but nothings happens.
When I activate the Appearance Editor, the new material is loaded. But now I can nothing edit more.
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By justaviking - 7 Years Ago
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I am away from my iClone computer, so I can't verify this myself, but...
Is it possible the Substance simply has no adjustable parameters? Some are like that. That might be why that part of the Modify panel is so empty.
You can still use the other Tab to adjust color and texture maps and stuff.
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By wires - 7 Years Ago
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Justaviking is right. If your Substance does not contain any adjustment parameters then you can only make adjustments inside the Materials tab.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Thanks justaviking and wires.
Yes here I have loaded an editable substance. So here is more to learn about the Substance Designer.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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I have had thought, that the parameters in the Appearance Editor are program parameters of the CC.
Ok they are parameters of the substance. Have learned a bit morel. Here I have made my first substance in the Substance Designer with a lot of parameters, which I can change in CC.
It has worked well.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Ups, after saving and loading again I get this result. The mesh is fully deformed. Before the saving all was ok.
This is the same mesh. The onliest difference between both is, that the mesh of the pullover is gone through the smooth of the mesh editor before saving, the mesh of the jacket (2. picture) not.
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By justaviking - 7 Years Ago
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I have been enjoying the pictures you post. Thank you.
I remember learning Substance Designer. Once you start to understand the basic concepts and how to use nodes, it is a lot of fun. I am still bad at it, but is is a very powerful tool.
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By animagic - 7 Years Ago
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Thanks, Tesira, for your pictures and reports. There is a lot to learn...:unsure: I have the Substance software, but haven't done much with it.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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thanks justaviking and animagic,
yes I have the substance editor also already some time and not done much with it. Will do some more in the next time.
I have now reported a bug https://www.reallusion.com/FeedBackTracker/Issue/Bugs-which-are-hard-to-reproduce-memory-leak
I don't know, if other users this also can reproduce.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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I have made a new substance in the Substance Designer. So a new test of the substance and the memory use.
Original Character memory use: 520.940K
Loading Material and activating the Appearance Editor 610.200 K
Deactivating Appearance editor 526.924K
Activating again 610.210K
Changing colors and pattern size
Changing fabric pattern scale
Changing pattern scale
changing hue shift
changing stains parameters
changing hat and shoes material
After all changes and deactivating of the Appearance Editor the memory use is 545.664K.
So this dos mean, the dramatic increasing of memory use, which I have seen with other substances, has not happened with this substance.
So the substance is the problem?
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By justaviking - 7 Years Ago
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Tesira (1/11/2017)
Does your girl know she's wearing a coat made from a tablecloth? :P
I love the pictures you post (and the research you're doing). Thank you.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Yes justaviking, she knows this and has asked already for more. :)
So lets look a bit, how we can help her.
In the Substance Designer you have some substance and fabric templates.
So first of all open a new substance and choose the Physical Based Substance template.
Now move the fabric template, you want to use, in the graph editor.
It will not do much, until the channels of the template are not connected with the output channels.
If this is done you see the new substance also in the 3d view. Now you can publish the substance already and use in CC.
Only you will not have some parameters, which you can change in CC.
The next step was the hardest, because I havent found some tutorial for this. So I have tried a lot.
Finally I have found a button between all the possibilities, which in th Substance Designer can be used.
I have klicked at Expose for every parameter, which I want to use in CC.
This has worked. Now I could change all parameters in CC.
Meantime I have learned some more. I have added a blending layer, Tiling, a texture.....
So I hope, the girl will get a new fabric in the next days. :)
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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With right click at the node, you can also go to Expose. There you get a dialog, where you can choose, which parameters you want to change in CC.
And here my new substance - time to go out :)
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Today I have made a substance with a mask and 3 different materials.
Slowly I have so many parameters, which I can change in CC, that I have lost a bit the overview.
It is easy, to change the mask for a other dress.
Have a nice weekend
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Here I have changed the substance a bit and made a new mask for the Pirate Lady.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By hj - 7 Years Ago
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Es hallo Tesira
wo hast du die Piratin her, bei mir waren nur 4 Grundfiguren bei der Beta.
Ansosten bist du ja eine fleißige Testerin. Ich habe mich bisher mit Tutoriasl zu CAT 3 beschäftigt und bin jetzt auch zum Beta-Test übergeschwenkt und muss erstmal mich duch die ganzen Posts wühlen.
beste Grüße
hj
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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hi hj,
well I have buyed iClone7 already and with this is come also the Pirate Lady.
Finally I have learned, how I can make a substance with textures, which I can dynamically load in CC.
And now I really would like to see them in iClone 7. It really is great fun. :)
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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I have installed the Essentials export version in CC Beta 2.0. But if I try, to export a character as fbx, I get the message, that I need an export licence.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Meantime I have seen, that I have the same problems with the export of the Essential Character also in CC1.5
The good message is, if I use the substances, which I have made in the Substance Designer, I have no problems inside of CC2.0.
And here 2 more examples:
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By hj - 7 Years Ago
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hi
t did tested a liitle bit too
If it works the Substance material in iClone, then also in the CC.
Sometimes I have some problems with unwanted shine.
best hj
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By Miranda (RL) - 7 Years Ago
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Hi Tesira, can you check if you have logged into CC2.0? If yes, please provide me the file via Email. We will simulate the environment, and figure out why it happened. Thank you!
Tesira (1/17/2017)
I have installed the Essentials export version in CC Beta 2.0. But if I try, to export a character as fbx, I get the message, that I need an export licence.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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hi Miranda,
where should I find the log file. Until now I haven't found one.
But it seems, that other have also problems with the export licence.
https://forum.reallusion.com/267226/Purchased-the-CC-Essential-Complete-Bundle-Export-license-and-Cant-export?PageIndex=1
Thanks for your answer
Tesira
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By luke (RL) - 7 Years Ago
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Hi, Tesira
This problem should be solved, would you mind try it again ? thanks
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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thanks waveact,
yes it has worked now. Here we go:
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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I have tested a bit more. The problem with the png Texture in the Roughness and Metall Channel seems to be solved.
But in the Base and Bump Channel the png Textures until now don't work right.
I get a clear picture after inverting and also the sliders don't work right, if I invert the texture.
Here the Base Channel:
after Inverting:
Here the Bump Channel after Inverting the texture:
Have a nice weekend
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Today I have done some tests with the opacity channel.
The original character is this:
Now I save the opacity texture, save it in my graphic program as png picture and load it again in the opacity channel of CC.
Here I get now a fully white picture.
All transparency of the top is gone.
If I change the brigthness, nothing dos happen:
Now I invert the colors of the texture in my graphic program and change the gray values to opacity values and load the png texture in CC.
The top is after this right again.
The changing of the brightness of the texture dos change nothing and I also haven't some possibility, to change the opacity with a other slider.
There are more odd effects, but they all are connected with the png textures.
Have a nice sunday
Tesira
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By animagic - 7 Years Ago
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Tesira, I'm seeing from your screen captures that your Opacity map is a linked texture. That might be the problem. Try loading as a regular texture file.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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hi animagic,
well, if you load a jpg texture in the opacity channel, so the gray values of the opacity texture control the transparency of the shirt.
If you load a png texture in the opacity channel, the alpha values of the opacity texture control the transparency of the shirt.
But you haven't a slider to change the alpha values.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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But I not only have tested. I also have played with the substances. This really is great fun.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Now I have made a substance with 4 different materials and many parameters. It has worked well.
Have a nice time
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Here I have done some changes of the bump map.
And well, she has needed a partner.
All this is done now inside of CC. I only have used the Substance Designer and a graphic programm. There are so many possibilities now.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By animagic - 7 Years Ago
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These are interesting looking characters, Tesira. You're clearly getting the hang of working with Substances.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Thanks animagic,
yes it is so fascinating, what you can do with it.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By hj - 7 Years Ago
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Hallo Tesira
ich schreibe auf deutsch, das kann ich besser
Du hast viele schöne und interessante Beispiele mit Substance Texturen gezeigt.
Hast du die Texturen im Substance Designer selber entwickelt oder dort vorhandene abgewandelt ?
Wenn du sie von Grund auf selber entwickelt hast, war das sehr zeitaufwendig und was gab es da besonderes zu beachten ?
Ich habe mich schon einmal an einer Stein-Texture nach einem Youtube Tutorial versucht.
Das war sehr auf wendig und zeitraubend und das Ergebnis fand ich nicht so toll.
Dann habe ich bisher auch keine Möglichkeit gefunden eine Icon-Vorschau in iClone oder im CC im Bereich Material zu erzeugen.
Da erscheint immer nur das Substance-Logo mit dem Namen. Beim Substance Designer und beim Painter werden die Material-Vorschauen immer vom Programm sofort erstellt. Das fehlt mir bei iClone und beim CC bisher.
beste Grüße
hj
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Thanks hj,
well, you can see here in this thread, how long time I have learned and worked until I have gotten this substance with 4 materials and many parameters.
It is not something, what is done in 1 hour. I have learned step by step, every day a bit more.
I have first made single substances, have saved them as sbsars and brought them finally together in one substance.
But not the creation of the substance itself was the greatest problem, but to organize this lot of parameters in a way, that all is easy to find in CC.
The Icon you can get in iClone, if you go to the substance folder of iClone. Add there your substance and a png picture with the same name as the substance.
Have a nice evening
Tesira
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By wires - 7 Years Ago
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@hj,
You need to create an icon in Substance Designer and save it in the same place as the sbar file. It also has to have exactly the same name as the substance.
Select the icon in the 2D window and export the image as PNG. I think that the default size is set to 256 x 256, but you can reduce this in something like GIMP or Photoshop to 125 x 125.
Make sure to save the image with the same name as the Substance, and also save it in the same folder.
Inside iClone the images will show in the Material Template folder where they are saved:
Hope this helps.
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By hj - 7 Years Ago
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Hope this helps.
hi wires
thank you for the description. it helps.
I thought, there could be a oportunity in iClone or CC, that create the icons by itself.
Hi Tesira
thank you for the feedback.
May you can show a little bit more, how you create your own texture in Designer for CC.
For me it looks very complicated to create a new texture.
best
hj
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By Rampa - 7 Years Ago
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If you save a Substance as an iMaterial, it creates the standard spherical icon, and remains a Substance.
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By hj - 7 Years Ago
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hi rampa
thank you, i know this, but i have to do it with each material, step by step.
iClone use sbar-files, so it could also create a icon for this like the painter or the designer.
best
hj
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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hi hj,
the nice is, that you can find a lot of good tutorials for the Substance Designer.
Here is one for the image input.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtH88GMZMYA
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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If you have this substance made, you can change the uniform color node to a color image input.
Then you get already this:
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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The new update is here. Have downloaded and installed it.
It dos work. Thanks to Reallusion.
So time, to test some more. First of all I could load my older projects and work with them.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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The activating of the Appearance Editor without keep or clear dos work much better.
On this way I also can bring my materials, which I have made with my own substances, fast in the new PBR_V1\CC_PBR_Cloth_V1_5MAT.ccText, when I activate the input Maps for a material channel.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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Today I have made the update to the newest CC version. I have deinstalled the older version first. So the installing has worked without some problems.
CC has started and I could load my older project. First of all I have wanted to test the Opacity.
So I have tried, to load my png texture in the opacity channel at the texture panel.
This has not worked. I have gotten a white texture.
Now I have activated the Appearance editor. The transforming to the new PBR_5 substance has worked well.
Here I could load my png texture for the opacity of the base material.
It was also possible to change the brightness of the texture there.
After this I also could change the brigthness of the texture at the texture panel.
So this was a good start, to do some more.
Have a nice day
Tesira
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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yay, I have seen my characters now first time in iClone7 and the good message is - until now no crash.
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By Tesira - 7 Years Ago
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yay, I have seen my characters now first time in iClone7 and the good message is - until now no crash.
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