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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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 We are pleased to officially announce today the pre-sale for iClone 7 has begun. It's still early days and we have lots more to announce but with this pre-sale offer you have the opportunity to pre-order iClone 7 now and get early access in Q1 2017. This offer is only available to the first 1,000 customers so don't leave it too long if you want to get that early access. In addition all those who take advantage of the pre-sale offer before December 31st 2016 will get a FREE copy of the PBR Ready "Lady Pirate" content pack (RRP $99).  To see our current range of pre-sale bundles including our new partnership with Hitfilm 2017, please click HERE. And to find out other ways to get iClone 7 FREE please click the promo page below. http://www.reallusion.com/event/iClone7-preorder/purchase.html*WIP videos and new feature announcements coming soon. |
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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If you have any questions about the new iClone 7 pre-sale offer, please post them here and we will try to answer them for you. :)
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By Artman009 - 9 Years Ago
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Pre-Sale Offer already? Really? We hardly know anything about iClone 7.
In my opinion, it seems like Reallusion is putting the cart before the horse here.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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Artman009 (11/21/2016)
Pre-Sale Offer already? Really? We hardly know anything about iClone 7.
In my opinion, it seems like Reallusion is putting the cart before the horse here.
I can understand your feelings on this but we will have the first WIP video and more feature announcements very soon (hopefully later this week). :)
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By mrmdesign - 9 Years Ago
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The deals look pretty good when you are looking at the higher end but I have always found you to be really generous. I have iclone 6 pro, 3dx6 pipeline, crazytalk pipeline, cc essentials export anyway and happy with the way it all works and outputs to unity (where i can produce pbr realtime content and 360 video with all of my other bits and bobs) so will happily stay as is unless something really excites me from the upcoming videos. I wait with baited breath! :-)
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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OMG!!! OMG!!!!
Do you have a link Peter?I didn't found it... I will prepay right now!!!! You make my day...week....month...any way
Thank you
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By mrmdesign - 9 Years Ago
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I have experienced the PBR rendering firsthand in the Character Creator competition previews and it is really impressive.
The hair looks good in that header image. Do I sense a new hair system?
Will there be some awesome additions to Character Creator?
I would love to see a new facial animation system.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (11/21/2016)
Do you have a link Peter?I didn't found it... I will prepay right now!!!! You make my day...week....month...any way
Thank you
Hi... The iClone 7 Pre-Sale offers can be found by clicking the link below (scroll down to see all the offers).
http://www.reallusion.com/store/product.html?l=1&p=ic
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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mrmdesign (11/21/2016)
Will there be some awesome additions to Character Creator?
The next version of Character Creator will be coming with iClone 7. We will be announcing new features for this soon.
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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DONE!!!!
Thank you very much Peter.
(really hope you update the particle system...:ermm: )
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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Member price - what does that mean?
What does that mean as far as updating previous versions?
I currently own a Hitfilm Pro. It would appear the Iclone Bundle would not help me price wise.
I can update to 2017 version for $185 now, but it is buggy so I plan to wait.
Usually, after initial release has passed it goes to $169
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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Member price - what does that mean?
If you own yet reallusion product , you're a member. If you're completly new user
you get regular price.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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rampart (11/21/2016)
Member price - what does that mean?
What does that mean as far as updating previous versions?
Once you purchase any of our products you become entitled to Member discount pricing. Member and Upgrade prices are the same thing and are only available to existing customers. New customers have to pay the full price.
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By rogyru - 9 Years Ago
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Ohh dear , i just signed in to comment on a video , ended up getting the pipeline for IC7 ,its a good deal . Look forward to testing this out and having access to the pipeline :)
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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So it doesn't matter if you bought a pipeline version, pro or standard version pack you get the member price with no update price considerations.
That is good for RL cash flow, but IMO... it isn't fair to loyal customers who purchased previous versions.
Especially, those who purchased the more expensive versions of applications.
RL should have more price tiers for users that are updating their applications...and for people who have bought something, but are not updating a version they currently own.
I bought the CT Animator 2 pipeline version, and the CTA 3 pipeline member price doesn't help me at all.
I don't use CTA 2 that much anyway, so I just decided not to update my version at the member price.
Anyone with half a brain could just buy a FaceFilter3 standard version for $29 and be a member. Then they could take advantage of lower pricing on everything else. Pay a little for something you don't really want to get a great price on something you do want.
I am looking forward to IClone 7, regardless of whether I feel screwed over or not. I am locked into IClone many thousands of dollars so I'll stay with this old ugly woman I brought to the dance, even if she does keep stepping on my toes. LOL
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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Wow, those screen shots look super-nice, they really do, but unfortunately I have to wait until I know the complete feature list before I decide anything.
Does look very nice though, so congratulations, Reallusion, very nice work indeed :w00t::cool:
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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BTW, is it fully 64-Bit Windows7 compatible?
I just clicked on "System Requirements" but it doesn't show any, just the iClone7 page :unsure:
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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rampart (11/21/2016)
So it doesn't matter if you bought a pipeline version, pro or standard version pack you get the member price with no update price considerations.
That is good for RL cash flow, but IMO... it isn't fair to loyal customers who purchased previous versions.
That went through my mind as well. Usually there is some distinction in upgrade prices.
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (11/21/2016)
rampart (11/21/2016)
So it doesn't matter if you bought a pipeline version, pro or standard version pack you get the member price with no update price considerations.
That is good for RL cash flow, but IMO... it isn't fair to loyal customers who purchased previous versions.
That went through my mind as well. Usually there is some distinction in upgrade prices.
If the upgrade price for CT Animator pipeline was $50 less to previous owners than the member price it would be consideration for loyal customers.
As it is, customers or newbs who don't own a previous version of the application are entitled to upgrade pricing and they aren't upgrading.
First time buyers of an application who are members...I can agree with member pricing.
However, members who are updating previous versions of a specific application should have a longer discounts than member pricing.
This type of pricing does cost RL.
I currently own CTA 2 pipeline version and I'm not buying the CTA3 pipeline version.
Why does RL alienate from their customers?
RL could make things better so easy...
RL has all kinds of content they can use for perks with member pricing or upgrade pricing.
RL bundles include incentive content into their new sales packages, why not use the same thinking by including perks for loyal customers and updating customers of previous versions.
This kind of sales practice could be alot of incentive for people, knowing even when they upgraded or bought new products there were incentives for loyalty.
I've bought thousands of dollars in content from RL and it's like starting over every time I buy something.
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By Kevin.S - 9 Years Ago
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Not being mean but It means nothing without a list of features and improvements fixes :-)
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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well that is a mighty nice offer indeed!
*takes padlock off wallet*
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By mr_vidius - 9 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/21/2016)
If you have any questions about the new iClone 7 pre-sale offer, please post them here and we will try to answer them for you. :)
I have a question. could you guys fix iclone 6 for me? it's in feedback tracker. issues #839 and 841.
I'm not buying 7 till 6 is repaired. ok?
vidius
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By Grimhilda - 9 Years Ago
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Thanks, Peter for these announcements.
I like very much that Iclone 5 users can make the upgrade leap to version 7.
In my case I have Iclone6 but only 3dXchange 5 - it will be nice to get Version 7 of both. And I'm happy for Iclone5 users out there.
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By hufos - 9 Years Ago
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Hmm. I am running a GTX 880M. Will that be good enough to handle IClone 7?
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By Peaches Chrenko - 9 Years Ago
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rampart (11/21/2016)
animagic (11/21/2016)
rampart (11/21/2016)
So it doesn't matter if you bought a pipeline version, pro or standard version pack you get the member price with no update price considerations.
That is good for RL cash flow, but IMO... it isn't fair to loyal customers who purchased previous versions.
That went through my mind as well. Usually there is some distinction in upgrade prices. If the upgrade price for CT Animator pipeline was $50 less to previous owners than the member price it would be consideration for loyal customers. As it is, customers or newbs who don't own a previous version of the application are entitled to upgrade pricing and they aren't upgrading. First time buyers of an application who are members...I can agree with member pricing. However, members who are updating previous versions of a specific application should have a longer discounts than member pricing. This type of pricing does cost RL. I currently own CTA 2 pipeline version and I'm not buying the CTA3 pipeline version. Why does RL alienate from their customers? RL could make things better so easy... RL has all kinds of content they can use for perks with member pricing or upgrade pricing. RL bundles include incentive content into their new sales packages, why not use the same thinking by including perks for loyal customers and updating customers of previous versions. This kind of sales practice could be alot of incentive for people, knowing even when they upgraded or bought new products there were incentives for loyalty. I've bought thousands of dollars in content from RL and it's like starting over every time I buy something.
:unsure: :ermm: :ermm: It Is disappointing ... I find myself in exactly the same situation, having the same feelings.... I too am a CTA2 Pipeline owner and a loyal long time customer who's spent thousands of dollars on RL products ...
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By GrannyJ - 9 Years Ago
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@PeterRL - Does the iClone 7 Animation Pipeline Bundle include iC7 standard or iC7 PRO?
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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@GrannyJ - I assume any "Pipeline" bundle would be based on "Pro" iClone. But I was noticing that too; they never mention iClone 7 Pro. I wonder if they got rid of "basic" and will have only one version of iClone. Or maybe iClone 7 "basic" will come later and isn't going to be available for pre-order.
@Peter (RL) - What's the word on iClone Basic/Pro?
I wonder how long it takes for 1,000 pre-orders to come it. A couple of days? Or maybe they'll only a couple hundred by Dec 31. I'm sure I'll upgrade to iClone 7, but want to consider which package. And it sure would be nice to see some more information (teasers and screen shots), too, before committing.
Lastly (for now), the "1,000" limit is only for the early access, not for the pre-order price, right? Sounds almost like they want 1,000 beta testers.
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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There is only one version of iClone 7, and it is "Pro". Look at the very bottom of the iC7 page. That is why the upgrade price is the same for peeps coming from either version of previous iClones.
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By TheOldBuffer - 9 Years Ago
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I've just purchased the pipeline offer. Roll on Q1. :o)
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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I did expect anything regarding iC7 these days, but I didn´t expect a pre-sale announcement. ;)
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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rampa (11/22/2016)
There is only one version of iClone 7, and it is "Pro". Look at the very bottom of the iC7 page. That is why the upgrade price is the same for peeps coming from either version of previous iClones.
It still doesn't make sense, really, as the Pro users already paid more and the Pipeline users even more...:unsure: Especially for the Pipeline users it is painful when wanting to upgrade to the next Pipeline.
Anyway, from long experience I know that I'll get sympathetic words from Peter, but the offer won't change...:crying:
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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To further add to my already considerable confusion, I find two different pricings for the Pipeline version:
On the Pre-sale page it is this:
But in the table it is this:
$379 sounds better than $529, so I hope that's the correct price for the pre-order upgrade.
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By TheOldBuffer - 9 Years Ago
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@Animagic. The pipeline suite includes the essential character creator package as well as Iclone 7 and 3dxchange 7 pipeline.
Get the BEST Price, Pre-Order Now! iClone 7 Character Creator Deluxe Suite |
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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This is really great news. :):cool::smooooth:
Will a user be able to create custom Heads from photos within the new version, or will they still be required to purchase the CT Pipeline to accomplish this? :Whistling::blink::unsure:
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By Tapani - 9 Years Ago
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wires (11/22/2016)
This is really great news. :):cool::smooooth:
Will a user be able to create custom Heads from photos within the new version, or will they still be required to purchase the CT Pipeline to accomplish this? :Whistling::blink::unsure:
This is promising, I'm also waiting "Head from photo" feature.
Someone told about PBR rendering, how does it differ from the current feature?
About Hitfilm - will it replace Indigo rendering - or is it for video-editing purpose?
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By Mythcons - 9 Years Ago
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Tapani (11/22/2016)
wires (11/22/2016)
This is really great news. :):cool::smooooth:
Will a user be able to create custom Heads from photos within the new version, or will they still be required to purchase the CT Pipeline to accomplish this? :Whistling::blink::unsure:This is promising, I'm also waiting "Head from photo" feature. Someone told about PBR rendering, how does it differ from the current feature? About Hitfilm - will it replace Indigo rendering - or is it for video-editing purpose?
PBR stands for 'Physically Based Rendering'. I assume it's going to be a render engine similar to Iray, or perhaps Marmoset if its a real-time renderer. At the moment, I believe iClone uses a non-PBR game render engine, which is nice and fast, but comparatively low on the quality scale. Which is why the Indigo plug-in exists. PBR will make use of some of those extra textures to produce more realistic renders.
There's a very good PBR FAQ on Marmoset's website, which should give you a better understanding.
http://www.marmoset.co/toolbag/learn/pbr-practice
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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In this jungle of excitement and expectations, I'm wondering if anyone has spotted the System Specifications anywhere :Whistling:
Regards the new structure and naming system, I see what they've done and understand it (I think), but from a naming perspective at least, it seems a bit weird. So iClone only comes in one version now, but the 3DXChange modules are still extra and still named PRO an PIPELINE. The resaon I think the naming is weird is that they effectively have three products now, named as follows :
- iClone 7
- 3DXChange 7 PRO
- 3DXChange 7 PIPELINE
Now if I have that correct, it's a weird naming system, because you could still have those three products and just name them logically as follows :
- iCone 7
- iClone 7 PRO
- iClone 7 PIPLELINE
That would obviously be a more logical naming system for it, so I don't understand why they would rename iClone to 3DXchange in two instances, just because it has that feature added to it.
Surely it will confuse people looking for iClone!
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By Tapani - 9 Years Ago
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Abumiguchi (11/22/2016)
Tapani (11/22/2016)
wires (11/22/2016)
This is really great news. :):cool::smooooth:
Will a user be able to create custom Heads from photos within the new version, or will they still be required to purchase the CT Pipeline to accomplish this? :Whistling::blink::unsure:This is promising, I'm also waiting "Head from photo" feature. Someone told about PBR rendering, how does it differ from the current feature? About Hitfilm - will it replace Indigo rendering - or is it for video-editing purpose? PBR stands for 'Physically Based Rendering'. I assume it's going to be a render engine similar to Iray, or perhaps Marmoset if its a real-time renderer. At the moment, I believe iClone uses a non-PBR game render engine, which is nice and fast, but comparatively low on the quality scale. Which is why the Indigo plug-in exists. PBR will make use of some of those extra textures to produce more realistic renders. There's a very good PBR FAQ on Marmoset's website, which should give you a better understanding. http://www.marmoset.co/toolbag/learn/pbr-practice
Thanks to you, I've been using Bitmap2Material (Allegorithmic) making textures - and using them in iClone. There has been some adjustments how to use B2M textures in iC. Sure the upgrade to iC7 will give some advantages.
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By Waterlane Studios - 9 Years Ago
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This is great to see, but like several here I'm confused about the 'upgrading' options.
As I own 'iClone 3DXchange 6 Pipeline / iClone 6 PRO / Character Creator (Free) / CC Essential Morphs & Skin', I guess the 'iClone 7 Studio Pipeline Suite' package would be my upgrade.
Is this price ["Member Price: $529.00"] the same for anyone upgrading from any previous suite???
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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If you read all the bundle options they all only offer iclone 7 and there is only one version for sale if you purchase just iclone and not any of the 3dexchanges.
There is also this at the bottom of the page
Notice:- iClone 7 is only available in one edition.
- The Beta will be released in early 2017.
- iClone 7 & 3DXchange 7 are only available for Windows.
- This promotional campaign is only available for purchases made through the Reallusion Official store.
- Reallusion reserves the right to make any changes at any time without prior notice.
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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If you don't read it... you don't get it.
Read carefully.
Then of course it probably won't matter, because RL usually does enough to
make you half way appreciate the value (at least)
I love the CC, but I was very disappointed when the 1.5 version finally came out. The information was promoted to us we could create our own clothing. Well, yes and no we could,
if we had modeling software and knew how to use it. I was thinking it was a self contained process of CC, like many others. Stupid me, for reading something between the lines that wasn't there.
I would love to have an IClone particles creation too,but alas it would appear RL is pushing us toward post "effect" and editing software now like Hitfilm Pro 2017, which is buggy from all I have read. You can buy it direct right now for $185 (upgrade price) so if the promo from RL and HF2017 doesn't fit you might look into direct HF buy. I will probably buy the upgrade HF2017 pro, but not for a while. I did read from an HF insider they plan to release more FX tools soon, which will be provided to owners of HF2017 pro owners.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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TheOldBuffer (11/22/2016)
@Animagic. The pipeline suite includes the essential character creator package as well as Iclone 7 and 3dxchange 7 pipeline.
Thanks for that. I already have that content. No wonder I get confused...:unsure:
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (11/22/2016)
TheOldBuffer (11/22/2016)
@Animagic. The pipeline suite includes the essential character creator package as well as Iclone 7 and 3dxchange 7 pipeline.Thanks for that. I already have that content. No wonder I get confused...:unsure:
I've got a similar problem...my kids say it goes with preponderance (lots of ) of grey hair.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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rampart (11/22/2016)
animagic (11/22/2016)
TheOldBuffer (11/22/2016)
@Animagic. The pipeline suite includes the essential character creator package as well as Iclone 7 and 3dxchange 7 pipeline.Thanks for that. I already have that content. No wonder I get confused...:unsure: I've got a similar problem...my kids say it goes with preponderance (lots of ) of grey hair.
LOL! I have grey hair, but I'm losing that as well...:Whistling:
As to Hitfilm... I have Hitfilm 4 currently, but I haven't used it much. So I may wait upgrading, although the price in the iClone bundle is better.
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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Looking at the promotion it would appear $200 is the price for IC7 and 3dX 7 pro versions for previous owners.
Then you get a little pirate character and a special exclusive bonus (no information on this bonus)
I have never done a pirate project so...is there an alternative for the value of $99?
No delivery date... so I guess the special exclusive bonus must be awesome to tie up our money for the next two months.
I'm just posting what is probably a waste of time, since the promotion of the IC7 stuff doesn't look complete.
I say that because I've not read anything about what is in it or 3dx.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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rampart (11/21/2016)
So it doesn't matter if you bought a pipeline version, pro or standard version pack you get the member price with no update price considerations.
That is good for RL cash flow, but IMO... it isn't fair to loyal customers who purchased previous versions.
Especially, those who purchased the more expensive versions of applications.
RL should have more price tiers for users that are updating their applications...and for people who have bought something, but are not updating a version they currently own.
I bought the CT Animator 2 pipeline version, and the CTA 3 pipeline member price doesn't help me at all.
I don't use CTA 2 that much anyway, so I just decided not to update my version at the member price.
Anyone with half a brain could just buy a FaceFilter3 standard version for $29 and be a member. Then they could take advantage of lower pricing on everything else. Pay a little for something you don't really want to get a great price on something you do want.
I am looking forward to IClone 7, regardless of whether I feel screwed over or not. I am locked into IClone many thousands of dollars so I'll stay with this old ugly woman I brought to the dance, even if she does keep stepping on my toes. LOL
It doesn't quite work like that. We try not to complicate it too much by having lots of different tiers, but the Member price you pay will vary depending on the version or products you have. For example someone who only has iClone 3 or 4 will have to pay more to upgrade to iClone 7 than someone who has iClone 6 and so on.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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kevin.S (11/21/2016)
Not being mean but It means nothing without a list of features and improvements fixes :-)
Coming very soon... just some final details to confirm.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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mr_vidius (11/21/2016)
Peter (RL) (11/21/2016)
If you have any questions about the new iClone 7 pre-sale offer, please post them here and we will try to answer them for you. :)I have a question. could you guys fix iclone 6 for me? it's in feedback tracker. issues #839 and 841. I'm not buying 7 till 6 is repaired. ok? vidius
We have not stopped work on iClone 6. Any outstanding bugs or serious issues will continue to be fixed as they are reported.
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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if anyone is curious
(the package I own now is iclone 6 + 3dexchange pipeline 6)
so my price for iclone 7 is $119
my price for a direct upgrade (pipeline version) is $379
anddd my price for the package which includes hitfilm is $499
I dont know if that is in usd I assume so (even though I am living in Canada I always assume american dollars online unless it specifies otherwise)
The hitfilm is a pretty good deal for me, but I dont really need it other then for the sparkle and special effects so I am trying to decide which bundle right now (pipeline only upgrade or the hitfilm one) I might end up never using the hitfilm as my present video editor has everything except for the flashy particle effects even it has 3d titles etc so might not be worth it for me dunno... looking for the WIP videos to make a final decision :)
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By yaRincewind - 9 Years Ago
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Peter,
if we get iClone7 Pro Bundle (199 Upgrade or 399 Content), will it be possible to export Motions to CTA 3 Pipeline?
Thank you very much,
Rince
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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urbanlamb (11/22/2016)
I dont know if that is in usd I assume so (even though I am living in Canada I always assume american dollars online unless it specifies otherwise)
The hitfilm is a pretty good deal for me, but I dont really need it other then for the sparkle and special effects so I am trying to decide which bundle right now (pipeline only upgrade or the hitfilm one) I might end up never using the hitfilm as my present video editor has everything except for the flashy particle effects even it has 3d titles etc so might not be worth it for me dunno... looking for the WIP videos to make a final decision :)
It's all in USD. About Hitfilm: although it's nice for effects, I found it less than ideal as editing program compared to Sony Vegas. There is Hitfilm Express (free), which may give you an idea if it's worth it.
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By jlittle - 9 Years Ago
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Note that the new HitFilm 2017 now integrates with Sony Vegas Pro 14:
"HitFilm Pro and Vegas Pro 14 are together at last – so you can send any clip on the Vegas timeline
directly to HitFilm or any HitFilm project to Vegas instantly.
Project updates save automatically, so you can rapidly iterate and preview your work."
Jeff
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (11/22/2016)
urbanlamb (11/22/2016)
I dont know if that is in usd I assume so (even though I am living in Canada I always assume american dollars online unless it specifies otherwise)
The hitfilm is a pretty good deal for me, but I dont really need it other then for the sparkle and special effects so I am trying to decide which bundle right now (pipeline only upgrade or the hitfilm one) I might end up never using the hitfilm as my present video editor has everything except for the flashy particle effects even it has 3d titles etc so might not be worth it for me dunno... looking for the WIP videos to make a final decision :) It's all in USD. About Hitfilm: although it's nice for effects, I found it less than ideal as editing program compared to Sony Vegas. There is Hitfilm Express (free), which may give you an idea if it's worth it.
yeah i tried it when they had the free pro whatever awhile back and its lousy for editing so for me the only advantage would be for more effects but it was a horrible editor. Very cumbersome. Its a compositor and for adding effects, but if you just are looking for a regular editor dont get it its lousy at that I found :)
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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I reckon Vegas is the best 'editor', I just hope Magix don't screw it (or Acid) up :Wow:
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By danlcort7 - 9 Years Ago
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thanks ! I Clone 7
We like to know more about the new feature before to get it please
and the comparison chart ,6 vs 7 the " new "
before end black friday in Reallusion.
Daniel
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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I have used Magix audio and music software for several years. Ok AFAIKT, but support sucks.
Since Sony Pro 8 I have used it. I will wait and see on SV 14.
Magix has had a movie edit application for a long time, never came to par with Sony.
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By Alasandro - 9 Years Ago
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Sounds tempting however, I'll wait. No system specs, no new features lists, bug fixes, etc. A little early to be collecting money from your users (for a mystery product) I think. Like other members here in this forum I have spent thousands of dollars on Reallusion software, props and characters and each time a new 'deal' comes along I am a bit taken back by Realussion's refusal to treat it's big money spending long time customers to a special deal. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE iClone... (Just don't like your marketing team very much - and I own a marketing company) I make good money using iClone to create content for my clients, but for now iClone 6 Pro works just great for what I need it for and unless something spectacular is included with iClone 7... OR I begin to feel like Reallusion appreciates my business... I'll just sit on the fence and wait until something comes up that I just have to have and I guess I'll pay whatever price I have to pay.
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By Mr_Squarepeg - 9 Years Ago
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Hey I am new and I rarely post on the real illusion forums.
I would like to know what the new features are before I commit to IClone 7.
That said - I have been looking at using IClone with Unreal Engine 4 for game related projects.
Would the IClone 7 EULA / license agreement prevent me from using figures made with CC 1.6 with Unreal Engine in a Game or Simulation like application?
For the most part I am sold on the Idea of IClone and Character Creator. But this is something that I need to know before I purchase.
It would be nice to know about any game dev specfic featrue coming to IClone 7 or any other realillusion products.
Thank you for your time,
Headclot
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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Alasandro (11/22/2016)
... I'll just sit on the fence and wait until something comes up that I just have to have and I guess I'll pay whatever price I have to pay.
You'll still get the "Member's" price, just not the pre-order price, so the penalty for delaying probably wont' be too bad.
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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HeadClot (11/23/2016)
Hey I am new and I rarely post on the real illusion forums.
I would like to know what the new features are before I commit to IClone 7.
That said - I have been looking at using IClone with Unreal Engine 4 for game related projects.
Would the IClone 7 EULA / license agreement prevent me from using figures made with CC 1.6 with Unreal Engine in a Game or Simulation like application?
For the most part I am sold on the Idea of IClone and Character Creator. But this is something that I need to know before I purchase.
It would be nice to know about any game dev specfic featrue coming to IClone 7 or any other realillusion products.
Welcome! :)
One key feature for iC7 is PBR (physically based render) support. We've seen a couple images from it a long time ago, but we are way overdue for more information on what else will be in the new version. Many features have been discussed, some have been alluded to by Reallusion, but we need some official announcements, screen shots, and teaser/demo video clips. Without them, we're going to be doing a lot of guessing and speculating.
As for the licensing question, I'm not an expert on that area but I believe you need the "Pipeline" license to do what you want. It's the most expensive license because the assets are leaving the iClone world and going other places, unlike when you make a movie and the actual avatars and props remain on your computer when you post a video to YouTube.
Good luck and please share with us what you decide to do. Hope to see you around.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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justaviking (11/23/2016)
[quote]HeadClot (11/23/2016)
As for the licensing question, I'm not an expert on that area but I believe you need the "Pipeline" license to do what you want. It's the most expensive license because the assets are leaving the iClone world and going other places, unlike when you make a movie and the actual avatars and props remain on your computer when you post a video to YouTube.
It's called an Export license, which is a one-time purchase as all content is royalty free. When you want to buy content, you will see two prices, one for use within iClone and one for export to other applications. If you bought iClone-only content and decide you want an Export license later, you'll pay the difference in price.
For base content that comes with iClone you don't need an Export license. In all cases, you will need the Pipeline version of 3DFXchange in order to be able to export.
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By TheOldBuffer - 9 Years Ago
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Just a thought.... Now Reallusion is getting into bed with Hitfilm and the sales blurb states that Iclone 7 will be using 3rd party plugins etc...Is it possible that the effects package form Hitfilm (especially the atomic particles and the particle system) will be able to be used in Iclone 7? Now if that is the case Wow......
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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Please RL, release that list of features, before that presumptions are running wild. ;)
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By Waterlane Studios - 9 Years Ago
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OK, So.... Is the 'CC Essential Complete Bundle (Export)' the same as the version I already own for iCLone6, or is it different/revised for iClone7?
This is quite important as it's the only difference I can see between the Pipeline packages... Peter, can you please clarify?
Cheers.
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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Mind and Motion (11/23/2016)
OK, So.... Is the 'CC Essential Complete Bundle (Export)' the same as the version I already own for iCLone6, or is it different/revised for iClone7?
This is quite important as it's the only difference I can see between the Pipeline packages... Peter, can you please clarify?
Cheers.
click on the package you will see its contents...
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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I looked at the various purchase options on the "What is the best price offer" page and for me, as an owner of previous versions, there is really no requirement to do anything before the official release. I really only need iClone and 3DXchange Pro - pre-order $199.00, after Launch $219.00, $20.00 difference isn't worth getting excited about.
I think I'll just ask the first 20 family members/friends whose names come to mind to give me only $1.00 as a Christmas gift, and my purchase option "problem" will be solved. :hehe::):P:D
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By Peaches Chrenko - 9 Years Ago
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pumeco (11/22/2016)
In this jungle of excitement and expectations, I'm wondering if anyone has spotted the System Specifications anywhere :Whistling:
:Whistling:;):Whistling: I looked and couldn't find them anywhere... the system requirement link didn't work for me
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By rampart - 9 Years Ago
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TheOldBuffer (11/23/2016)
Just a thought.... Now Reallusion is getting into bed with Hitfilm and the sales blurb states that Iclone 7 will be using 3rd party plugins etc...Is it possible that the effects package form Hitfilm (especially the atomic particles and the particle system) will be able to be used in Iclone 7? Now if that is the case Wow......
I suspect the reason RL is promoting Hitfilm because they don't want to deal with effects/particles creation inside Iclone. It isn't that bad really, because it is just less memory required when building your projects. You have to plan more for the effects as you go to provide what you need in Iclone to accompany a post edit introduction of effects.
Most of us use a Sony Vegas, Premier or other video edit software on final project builds anyway. Hitfilm is just another step. I sure won't buy Hitfilm pro 2017 looking to integrate with Sony Vegas 14, because I am hesitant to update my Vegas 13 ( it works very well). Magix bought A bundle of Sony applications...seriously I suspect Vegas 14 was updated by Sony prior to sale ( Incentive to new buyers). I say that because it would be very difficult building a development team to learn the coding of such a complex application without a year of more familiarizing and working with it.
For what it is worth... I found long ago it was more efficient to build my projects in combination with Vegas Pro. Audio in Vegas, all visual content inside Iclone, and finally put together and rendered in Vegas. That is, for internet videos.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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yaRincewind (11/22/2016)
Peter,
if we get iClone7 Pro Bundle (199 Upgrade or 399 Content), will it be possible to export Motions to CTA 3 Pipeline?
Thank you very much,
Rince
Hi Rince,
Yes iClone 7 Pro will support exporting motions to CTA3 in the new .rlmotion format introduced in iClone 6.52. :)
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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wires (11/23/2016)
I looked at the various purchase options on the "What is the best price offer" page and for me, as an owner of previous versions, there is really no requirement to do anything before the official release. I really only need iClone and 3DXchange Pro - pre-order $199.00, after Launch $219.00, $20.00 difference isn't worth getting excited about. I think I'll just ask the first 20 family members/friends whose names come to mind to give me only $1.00 as a Christmas gift, and my purchase option "problem" will be solved. :hehe::):P:D
That sounds like a plan. I currently have Pipeline for which there is a more significant price difference (I would need a lot more family members :P), but the question is do I really need Pipeline? :unsure:
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By doubledutch - 9 Years Ago
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Does it running yes or no with windows 7?
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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izolafilms (11/23/2016)
pumeco (11/22/2016)
In this jungle of excitement and expectations, I'm wondering if anyone has spotted the System Specifications anywhere :Whistling:
:Whistling:;):Whistling: I looked and couldn't find them anywhere... the system requirement link didn't work for me
Same here. Peaches, I just get the iCone7 page ... :Whistling:
I'm beginning to think maybe the PBR requires some serious video hardware, and that Peter dare not spill the beans just yet :D
Still, I have to buy a new graphics card sooner or later anyway, so not too worried about that.
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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I don't think PBR requires a whole lot more oomph. But the GI probably will.
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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They seriously need to post some system requirements, if I am upgrading, I need to know if I need new hardware, which changes my priorities and budget. Please Reallusion, this is extremely important.
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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Very cool about iClone7, I have a question though, are there better facial animation tools in it, and if not, do the AFP profiles still work in iClone7?
In all honesty, and as cool as iClone 6.x is, it really lacks in the facial animation department!
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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GUYS!!!!!!! LOOK THIS REALLUSION ANSWER!!!!!!!!! WHERE'RE IN BUISENESS!!!!!!!! CHAMPAGNE!!!!!!!!!!
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By larrygj - 9 Years Ago
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Take a look at Camtasia from techsmith.com. It is very easy to use and no steep learning curve. It has all the basic stuff for editing your film clips and adding titles, special effects, etc.
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (11/24/2016)
GUYS!!!!!!! LOOK THIS REALLUSION ANSWER!!!!!!!!! WHERE'RE IN BUISENESS!!!!!!!! CHAMPAGNE!!!!!!!!!!
That's good news.
I wish they'd share that with us on the forum, too. We did ask the question here, too, didn't we? Seems vaguely familiar.
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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I guess it's time to make that facial mocap helmet!
I hope it will work on pre-recorded video, as well as live.
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By Mr_Squarepeg - 9 Years Ago
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rampa (11/24/2016)
I guess it's time to make that facial mocap helmet!
I hope it will work on pre-recorded video, as well as live.
Yep same. Curious tho how do you build a Mocap helmet?
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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HeadClot (11/24/2016)
rampa (11/24/2016)
I guess it's time to make that facial mocap helmet!
I hope it will work on pre-recorded video, as well as live.Yep same. Curious tho how do you build a Mocap helmet?
There are many tutorials/variations. Here is the video tut that popped up when I googled it just now.
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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I guess it's time to make that facial mocap helmet!
I made it!!!! With a bicycle helmet and thin iron bar!!!
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By Mr_Squarepeg - 9 Years Ago
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rampa (11/24/2016)
HeadClot (11/24/2016)
rampa (11/24/2016)
I guess it's time to make that facial mocap helmet!
I hope it will work on pre-recorded video, as well as live.Yep same. Curious tho how do you build a Mocap helmet? There are many tutorials/variations. Here is the video tut that popped up when I googled it just now.
Hey thanks Rampa.
Going to look into this :)
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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A trip to the Goodwill, and you can probably have all you need for ten or twenty bucks! :)
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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Aaaaaaaaaand......I just pre-ordered. I guess I'll see if my machine can cope. I have a 3440 i7 with a 2GB GTX750.
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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justaviking (24.11.2016)
mtakerkart (11/24/2016)
GUYS!!!!!!! LOOK THIS REALLUSION ANSWER!!!!!!!!! WHERE'RE IN BUISENESS!!!!!!!! CHAMPAGNE!!!!!!!!!!
That's good news. I wish they'd share that with us on the forum, too. We did ask the question here, too, didn't we? Seems vaguely familiar.
Holy moley, the new version seems to be jam-packed with cool features indeed, but I also don´t understand that salami tactics sharing the informations.
They are trying to drive us bananas by this sort of guerilla marketing strategy, I guess. ;)
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (11/24/2016)
GUYS!!!!!!! LOOK THIS REALLUSION ANSWER!!!!!!!!! WHERE'RE IN BUISENESS!!!!!!!! CHAMPAGNE!!!!!!!!!!
Cool, where was this posted at?
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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https://www.facebook.com/ReallusionSoftware/posts/667065433453856
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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DOH, thanks Mate! :)
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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- PBR = Awesome, but I hope they haven't neglected important shaders like SSS for the characters skin, and Anisotropic shading mode.
- Real Camera System = Sounds very cool (and interesting), but is it based on a fixed set of presets, or is it user adjustable?
- Facial Mocap = Excellent, but is it the type where you can track the footage right out of pretty much any camera without special gear?
As for Reallusion announcing on Facebook before their own site, I could go into why companies do that, but I won't as Peter appears to be in informative post-zapping mode again!
Personally, I didn't, don't, and won't ever visit Facebook, so it would be nice if Reallusion could honour their own community with priority info (as in here, not Facebook).
And what are the system requirements? We still don't know, and that's really the first thing we need to know when you're selling software that needs to be installed on our systems. I've never know software being sold without the system requirements being made clear prior to purchase, so I'm with the others here, we need to know. I understand the teasing with the new features, that's expected and understandable (fun even), but you shouldn't be doing that regards system requirements when the product is already for sale.
The product is for sale, so again, please, what are the system requirements for the product you're selling?
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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Actually I don´t understand the teasing in drops either, when the product is for sale already, but that possibly is a cross-cultural thing.
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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@JJJAM
It's usually (but not always) done in drops because it helps a company keep your attention pricked, and stops you wandering to the competition in the meantime.
From what I've seen so far, it looks like I'd probably buy iClone7 anyway, looks great, but I need to know the system requirements, cause if Windows 7 isn't supported then I'm just wasting my time here. I'm excited about the release, but obviously it has to be 100% compatible with my 64-Bit Windows 7 system. If it turns out it isn't, it's pointless me even waiting to see further feature announcements. But until they release the system requirements for it, I haven't a clue, that's why it's annoying (pointlessly annoying).
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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sw00000p (11/24/2016)
Cons:
"If you purchase anything without knowing, "What the system requirements are?"
...and your system is NOT up to par...
Your deserve what you get, :P
Which is why, having a fully-functioning brain, I would like to know the system requirements before making a decision ;)
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By RobertoColombo - 9 Years Ago
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HI all,
I wonder what would it be the rendering time when the PBR is used.
Maybe it depends on the what is in the scene, but it would be still important to know, in order to estimate what kind of PC shall be used: the concept of "minimum requirements" should also be integrated with benchmark data.
It would be very useful if RL could give some kind of rendering benchmarks, derived from project with increasing complexities vs. different PC specs.
Cheers
Roberto
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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sw00000p (11/24/2016)
Please buy it.... I'll be your BestEST Friend Forever.:hehe:
This comes as quite a shock, sw00000p, cause I already thought you was one of my most bestist friends anyway :blink::(:crying:
I haven't got many friends as it is, cause people think I'm weird :(
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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If you pre-order, when does the "money back guarantee" timeline begin? When you place your pre-order, or when it becomes available for download? It sure would be unfortunate to discover, on the first day you install it, that you don't like it or you can't run it, but it's already too late to request a refund.
The value in pre-ordering is you get a lady pirate character (if you order before Dec 31). If you don't care about that character, and you don't care to be one of the first 1,000 people with early "beta" access to the software, then I don't see much value in waiting until it's released since you'll still have a "member" discount if you're already a customer.
About rendering times - iClone already fails to "render" in realtime in most cases. I can preview at 60 fps, and it looks great, but rendering a 1080p movie takes 5x (or more) longer when rendering the video. I anticipate iC7 will have similar behavior. I guess we'll find out soon (soon-ish).
I know I will be moving up to iC7, I just need to finalize which package I'll get. Of course I'll keep iC6 installed and functional, too.
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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@Roberto
As far as I'm aware (and was hinted at by Rampa the other day), PBR itself doesn't cost that much in processing power, but the PBR renderer as a whole can do so if you start using Global Illumination and stuff like that. I think the same would be true with Volumetric effects (if it has that), and scene reflection, which we've yet to see. Reflection seems to be the killer for all engines, and I think Global Illumination is probably treated as a type of reflection 'under the hood', cause it's basically, reflected light.
I'm guessing PBR will pretty much fly as much as the system does even without it, but I suppose switching-on Global Illumination and Scene Reflections might slow it down a fair bit (depending on your hardware).
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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justaviking (11/24/2016)
I know I will be moving up to iC7,
sw00000p (11/24/2016)
JV,
...just buy it. iClone 7 will be awesome. You'll see.
I already said will buy it.
It's been a foregone conclusion for about year.
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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sw00000p (11/24/2016)
pumeco (11/24/2016)
...PBR itself doesn't cost that much in processing power, but the PBR renderer as a whole can do so if you start using Global Illumination and stuff like that. I think the same would be true with Volumetric effects (if it has that), and scene reflection, which we've yet to see. Reflection seems to be the killer for all engines, and I think Global Illumination is probably treated as a type of reflection 'under the hood', cause it's basically, reflected light.
I'm guessing PBR will pretty much fly as much as the system does even without it, but I suppose switching-on Global Illumination and Scene Reflections might slow it down a fair bit (depending on your hardware).pumeco, What do you think about this: (Render Engines) ... Will IC7 render PBR real time?
Well not unless you have some pretty insane video hardware, sw00000p!
Basically, I think using PBR materials will be handled quite easily on even a half-decent card, but any 'global' stuff that is not a post-effect, will slow it down.
Like I said though, I'm just guessing :P
BTW, it looks like Bloom is improved looking at one of those images on the iClone7 page, so that means they implemented a new post-processing system. With a bit of luck, that probably means we have post-process for Motion Blur, Film Grain, and Chromatic Aberration (that would mean we have the four post-processing biggies).
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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Speculation isn't going to get any of us anywhere, which won't cramp the experts here in the least, but we need a single "Hard" fact before making any serious judgements regarding purchase of the software.
What are the iClone 7 PC hardware requirements that need to be met in order to playback and render out the "Sky Tool" project included with iClone 6 - with all prop materials replaced with PBR materials?
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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This is an entreaty for new particles needed in the New Iclone 7!!! And to show what can be done today with the 6th version.....
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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sw00000p (11/24/2016)
wires (11/24/2016)
Speculation isn't going to get any of us anywhere,Well Said!
+1:)
the speculation...pumeco continues... just as JV (INNOCENTLY) (did way back ic6 release).
We all know where that confusion ended....
It ended with ONE person saying, "Hey, I thought they SAID iC6 would ...!"
Nightmare
sw00000p, you just asked me what I thought, so I told you :Wow:
I'm not "speculating" anything, just thinking out loud during my reply to you!
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (11/24/2016)
GUYS!!!!!!! LOOK THIS REALLUSION ANSWER!!!!!!!!! WHERE'RE IN BUISENESS!!!!!!!! CHAMPAGNE!!!!!!!!!!
oh i like that i should really actually pay attention to facebook but its so hard to keep up with all the places info is posted and facial mocap and the graphy thingy (they even use my vocabulary LOL) I am so happy about the graphy thingy... yeah.. i know what i am buying me for christmas I have patiently been awaiting facial mocap cause the way its done now is a bit hard would be easier just to use my face and a webcam of one sort or another. ..
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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sw00000p, do you even know what "speculation" means?
Anyway, I've wasted enough time on here today, I've got LFO circuits to solder that I meant to do days ago.
Maybe we'll know the system requirements by tomorrow, but then again, maybe not ... :doze:
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By danlcort7 - 9 Years Ago
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hi, we can not have acces tol the feature as comparison char
you must update the advice
why ?
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By danlcort7 - 9 Years Ago
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hi we need to read
..know more and versión comparison
it is not posible to open
why ?
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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@sw00000p
When you were banned that time, I contacted someone at Reallusion and said (in so many words), for crying out loud, bring him back, the forum is dead without him!!!
I just want you to know, I meant every word of it, I think you're bloody hilarious, you're even reposting just to hide my reply post :laugh::laugh::laugh:
As for facial mocap that works like body mocap, well ok then, in that case, bad choice then, wasn't it.
Surely it would have been better to just load a video and track the recording of a face :Wow:
If they've been working on "iClone" the movie-making tool, that's what they will have done because loading a clip of a face and tracking it would be a typically "iClone" thing to do (meaning hands-on and productive). But if they've gone the other route, the one you suggest, then it's obviously to cater to another crowd (the game-making crowd). I hope you're wrong on that one because I'd have no interest in the facial mocap if it involved wearing all that suit/helmet stuff or whatever. I think for a product like iClone, tracking a regular video of a face taken by a regular camera, is the type of facial mocap tech it should have, and that's my opinion even if it doesn't meet with sw00000p approval :P
Really ... gotta go now ... but hope we see the system requirements by tomorrow!
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By mrmdesign - 9 Years Ago
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You had me at facial mocap... :-)
This is the one thing I really wanted to see from iclone 7. As I will be exporting to Unity I will also need to upgrade my 3DXchange to V7. I would pre order but my quarterly Unity Pro sub comes out this month. I do have a big AR project on at the mo but don't expect to be paid on that til Feb and I have my Corp tax bill to pay by 31st of Jan. Expensive time of year....
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By toystorylab - 9 Years Ago
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The "iClone Hitfilm Animation Bundle" would be my choice...
Questions:
- Do i get the Hitfilm-Licence as soon i paid my pre-order?
- Will projects made in iClone 6 work accurate in iClone 7 and can i render these (made in iClone 6) with PBR?
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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The default iClone characters (from CC) use morphs rather than facial bones. The iClone facial rig, as it stands in 6 anyway, can drive either morph changes or bones. Once you have recorded a facial mocap clip in iC7, you'll be able to save it to your library as MotionPlus, presumably. I'm sure people will try and sell canned clips, but if you can do facial mocap, you would probably just do it all the time as needed.
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By RobertoColombo - 9 Years Ago
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wires (11/24/2016)
Speculation isn't going to get any of us anywhere, which won't cramp the experts here in the least, but we need a single "Hard" fact before making any serious judgements regarding purchase of the software.
What are the iClone 7 PC hardware requirements that need to be met in order to playback and render out the "Sky Tool" project included with iClone 6 - with all prop materials replaced with PBR materials?
Hi Gerry,
speculation is for free and sometimes also funny (I guess many ppl from USA speculated a lot about who was going to drive their country... ;) )
Btw, I am with you about facts based on projects, but a serious benchmark shall take into account different use cases.
One single project can reveal too little, especially (like Pumeco wrote) when PBR can have different "rendering cost" based on the type of scene & illumination.
My hope is that the PBR won't be like Indigo rendering times.... :doze:
Btw, the BIG ONE (at least in my wishes) is not mentioned: no API interface... :unsure::ermm:
Roberto
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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I was thinking "open plug-in architecture" was just that, no?
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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toystorylab (11/24/2016)
Will projects made in iClone 6 work accurate in iClone 7 and can i render these (made in iClone 6) with PBR?
Usually, previous generation projects work in the next one. I don't expect the character base to be any different in IC7, so these will carry over without problems and these usually cause the most issues. Props are just props... As to PBR, I guess you need to apply PBR materials to benefit from that. There is also Global Lighting, which will improve the renders.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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eternityblue (11/24/2016)
I was thinking "open plug-in architecture" was just that, no?
I would think so. This has been in the books for quite some time but never made it into IC6. For example, when Indigo was introduced there was talk about other possible render plugins.
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By toystorylab - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (11/24/2016)
toystorylab (11/24/2016)
Will projects made in iClone 6 work accurate in iClone 7 and can i render these (made in iClone 6) with PBR?Usually, previous generation projects work in the next one. I don't expect the character base to be any different in IC7, so these will carry over without problems and these usually cause the most issues. Props are just props... As to PBR, I guess you need to apply PBR materials to benefit from that. There is also Global Lighting, which will improve the renders.
Hey Job,
thanx for quick reply...
I'm working on a bigger projekt (Animation of an Audiobook for Children, approx. 45 minutes), probably finished till the end of 2016
and if render would be improved a lot in IClone 7, i consider to suggest my client to wait with the render till iClone 7 comes out...
Though it mostly uses Avatars (Bears) and Nature Settings, PBR won't be that important i guess??
What does "global lighting"?
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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Global illumination is a simulation of real world lighting. More specifically how the ambient light bounces around to light the scene in a natural way. The best example of it is in a ray-traced scene (non-realtime), but there are many tricky algorithms for simulating it in real-time engines as well.
Here is a very nice image of what the iC7 engine can generate. Note that they are still developing this, and it will keep improving. This cannot be done in iC6 near as well.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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toystorylab (11/24/2016)
- Do i get the Hitfilm-Licence as soon i paid my pre-order?
Yes you do. :)
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By RobertoColombo - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (11/24/2016)
eternityblue (11/24/2016)
I was thinking "open plug-in architecture" was just that, no?I would think so. This has been in the books for quite some time but never made it into IC6. For example, when Indigo was introduced there was talk about other possible render plugins.
I might have missed something here... :blink:
Where did you read about that ?
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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It is text on the pre-order advertisement page, somewhere in the middle. I'm on a phone so I don't have the link handy.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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wires (11/24/2016)
Speculation isn't going to get any of us anywhere, which won't cramp the experts here in the least, but we need a single "Hard" fact before making any serious judgements regarding purchase of the software.
What are the iClone 7 PC hardware requirements that need to be met in order to playback and render out the "Sky Tool" project included with iClone 6 - with all prop materials replaced with PBR materials?
Hi Gerry,
I know this is frustrating but we are working hard to have the WIP video, new feature descriptions and the system requirements ready before the weekend. :unsure:
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By RobertoColombo - 9 Years Ago
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eternityblue (11/24/2016)
It is text on the pre-order advertisement page, somewhere in the middle. I'm on a phone so I don't have the link handy.
Cool!!! I saw it. Thanks :)
That's the real BIG ONE!
If it is really a interface that let us get "into" iClone, this product is going to expand soon into something amazing!
Just wonder what language will it be based (LUA?), how can it be integrated into IDE like Microsoft Visual Studio, what kind of debugging environment will they enable into iClone, whether it will be possible to call the API from other languages (C, C++, etc.) etc. etc.
OMG.. that's can be really BIG! :)
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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My dream is someone can incorporate Rewire audio support so I can work in my DAW and compose music and sound effects in a professional studio DAW while compositing and animating.
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By eternityblue - 9 Years Ago
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I'm also interested to see if the Hitfilm partnership is anything beyond just mutual marketing, ie. could Hitfilm eventually sell particle effects etc for use within iClone? That would be sweet.
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By rogyru - 9 Years Ago
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Got IC7 pipeline ,do we just email support for access to Iclone 6 Pipeline ? while we wait for IC7 . Cant see anything in my account settings
thanks
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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RobertoColombo (11/24/2016)
eternityblue (11/24/2016)
It is text on the pre-order advertisement page, somewhere in the middle. I'm on a phone so I don't have the link handy. Cool!!! I saw it. Thanks :)That's the real BIG ONE! If it is really a interface that let us get "into" iClone, this product is going to expand soon into something amazing! Just wonder what language will it be based (LUA?), how can it be integrated into IDE like Microsoft Visual Studio, what kind of debugging environment will they enable into iClone, whether it will be possible to call the API from other languages (C, C++, etc.) etc. etc. OMG.. that's can be really BIG! :)
There are a couple UE4 plugins that I would love to see ported to iClone. :)
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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There are a couple UE4 plugins that I would love to see ported to iClone
popcorn fx for particles ;)
http://www.popcornfx.com/
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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I see particles popping up like popcorn all over the forum. Who did that?! :P
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By Peaches Chrenko - 9 Years Ago
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pumeco (11/23/2016)
izolafilms (11/23/2016)
pumeco (11/22/2016)
In this jungle of excitement and expectations, I'm wondering if anyone has spotted the System Specifications anywhere :Whistling:
:Whistling:;):Whistling: I looked and couldn't find them anywhere... the system requirement link didn't work for me Same here. Peaches, I just get the iCone7 page ... :Whistling:I'm beginning to think maybe the PBR requires some serious video hardware, and that Peter dare not spill the beans just yet :D
::unsure: :unsure: :Wow: I pray you're wrong about the 'serious hardware requirements' pumeco but I'm with you, I just wanna know. I'm trying to buy a new system now during BLACK FRIDAY SALES and ICLONE is one of the main reasons I'm upgrading ... At least Peter acknowledged our frustration and said they're trying to get the system requirements to us before the weekend! Can't come too soon for me though ... :Whistling::Whistling::Whistling:
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By Peaches Chrenko - 9 Years Ago
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rogyrue (11/25/2016)
Got IC7 pipeline ,do we just email support for access to Iclone 6 Pipeline ? while we wait for IC7 . Cant see anything in my account settings
thanks
:cool::Wow::cool: I was wondering same thing regarding the purchase of 3dx7pro. Would this mean I would gain access to 3dx6pro until 3dx7 launches??..Couldn't find any info,,,
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By Space 3D - 9 Years Ago
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I believe the feature iClone 7 will be release soon.
For marketing or promo its time .
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By RobertoColombo - 9 Years Ago
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rampa (11/25/2016)
There are a couple UE4 plugins that I would love to see ported to iClone. :)
Sure Rampa! If the API I/F is powerful enough, there will be no limit to what can be done: think about the link for the Blender free add-on that I sent to you few days ago :)
As a minimum hope, I would be already happy if I can develop scripts to automatize some repetitive tasks, which often I have to do during the editing phase... :doze:
I am really curious about what will RL churn out... let´s see.
Roberto
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (11/25/2016)
Thanks, I must admit that some of it looks really good! :D
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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izolafilms (11/25/2016)
::unsure: :unsure: :Wow: I pray you're wrong about the 'serious hardware requirements' pumeco but I'm with you, I just wanna know. I'm trying to buy a new system now during BLACK FRIDAY SALES and ICLONE is one of the main reasons I'm upgrading ... At least Peter acknowledged our frustration and said they're trying to get the system requirements to us before the weekend! Can't come too soon for me though ... :Whistling::Whistling::Whistling:
Just saw the new video, Peaches, and to be honest you'd be best going for the best video card you can anyway. iClone really depends on the video card more than anything else (and it favours nVidia from the sounds of it), so if you're building for iClone, give the video card priority. I'm in a similar situation, only difference being I'm only looking to upgrade my video card, not the rest of the system. If it works on Windows 7, I'm definitely buying iClone7, cause from what I've seen in that video they released today, they've really put the effort in and given us something worth upgrading our cards for! The way I see it is I might as well just face the fact that if I'm going to enjoy using iClone 7, a nice video card with plenty of video RAM is just something I have to swallow.
But I know what you mean .. the bloody prices of them ... ouch ... major ouch :Wow:
I think it would be worth it though, this time, cause I thought iClone 6 was a bit of a let down, nothing "wow" about, but that's not the case with iClone 7 - it really is very nice from what I've seen of it. So personally, if I were in your shoes right now, I'd choose the best card I could first (with plenty of video RAM), then just budget the rest of the system around it.
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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I almost turned the video off at one point because I thought it was just about lighting (as in global and pbr etc) and then I saw near the end emissive textures as light sources with particles. My post was originally going to be although I am not into hyper-realistic type deals although improved lighting is always welcome but now with the emissive stuff okay that is a very nice surprise .. more please :)
and yeah your gonna need like a good card for all that crap but hey its cool crap so you know some people enjoy fast cars I enjoy fast pcs with fast cards in em..
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By Mythcons - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (11/25/2016)
Holy shizzle sticks. I'm glad I pre-ordered and got in on the early access.
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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pumeco (11/25/2016)
If it works on Windows 7, I'm definitely buying iClone7
Just curious here, why so stoked on Windows 7, is it because your system doesn't support Windows 10, or is it because you dont like 10, and if so, why?
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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The WIP video is really impressive. I hope that the onscreen Video Display memory usage is going to be kept in the final release. The Comparison Chart here states that owning the Pipeline version is required to access the motion curve editor.
This seems a bit much for users only producing films - and not exporting assets for use anywhere else.
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By mrmdesign - 9 Years Ago
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Yum yum! That is one tasty promo video! :-)
There is a lot to love about this upcoming release and a few extra bits that will be really useful and may result in me spending more time in iClone. I might just get 3DXChange Pro initially then upgrade to pipeline a bit later on.....
You are pulling me in guys! Damn you and your clever marketing! ;-)
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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No facial Mocap on that list, a bit disappointing for me, but the facial animation in the video looks okay, maybe they included the AFP profiles?
In any case the facial animation looks decent and I bet it could be tweaked allot more, this is getting interesting, and render quality seems to have greatly improved, well done so far.
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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yoyomaster (11/25/2016)
pumeco (11/25/2016)
If it works on Windows 7, I'm definitely buying iClone7Just curious here, why so stoked on Windows 7, is it because your system doesn't support Windows 10, or is it because you dont like 10, and if so, why?
It's because I don't want to use Windows 10, but best I don't talk about why in this thread cause it tends to look like I'm being disruptive.
In a nutshell though, I won't be installing it under any circumstances.
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By rogyru - 9 Years Ago
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izolafilms (11/25/2016)
rogyrue (11/25/2016)
Got IC7 pipeline ,do we just email support for access to Iclone 6 Pipeline ? while we wait for IC7 . Cant see anything in my account settings
thanks
:cool::Wow::cool: I was wondering same thing regarding the purchase of 3dx7pro. Would this mean I would gain access to 3dx6pro until 3dx7 launches??..Couldn't find any info,,,
I sent support a email and have recived a link to my Copy of IC6 Pipeline , just put in a ticket if you have IC7 pro you will get sent a free copy of IC6 to use until IC7 drops
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By nrm21122 - 9 Years Ago
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I have a question about Iclone 7.
If you look at compare the edition page https://www.reallusion.com/event/iClone7-preorder/ it appears that only the pipeline bundle can export FBX and other files
Is this true?
Will their be a character edition upgrade as well and if so will it only be in the pipeline bundle?
Thanks
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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Looking again at the Comparison Chart it shows that no file types - not even OBJ - can be exported from 3DXchange without purchasing the Pipeline version. :pinch::crying::alien::(:sick:
This will really put the breaks on for those exporting OBJ clothing files to Blender etc.
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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What do you know! ;)
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By Postfrosch - 9 Years Ago
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@Wires
I have already noted it here.https://forum.reallusion.com/303655/HERE-WE-GO?PageIndex=3#bm303884
Seems no one is interested until now because of terrific new futures
Greets from Germany
Postfrosch
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By Galfridus - 9 Years Ago
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No mention of import by pro or pipeline for .3DS or .skp files.
Both currently supported with 3DX6.
Direct import for 3D warehouse files was once an important selling feature for 3DX.
Geoff.
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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wires (11/26/2016)
Looking again at the Comparison Chart it shows that no file types - not even OBJ - can be exported from 3DXchange without purchasing the Pipeline version. :pinch::crying::alien::(:sick: This will really put the breaks on for those exporting OBJ clothing files to Blender etc.
I've never bothered to try it, but aren't the included clothing meshes already supplied in OBJ format anyway, just like the figures?
And at least this wouldn't stop you bringing-in your own custom clothing, because that's an import procedure.
If they have stopped us exporting OBJ unless we have Pipeline (and the clothes are not supplied in OBJ format), I think RL will learn a valuable lesson from it, because it means people will no longer buy ready-made clothes from RL, thinking they can export and customise them. It would mean the only way for non-pipeline users to have custom clothing, is to build their own or import something purchased elsewhere. This doesn't effect me personally, other than it would stop me being able to become a vendor.
But for normal use, making my movies with it, wouldn't effect me because I'd use my own imported cloth meshes anyway.
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By vidi - 9 Years Ago
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Sadly , The pipeline exceeds my budget that I would like to pay and another version is not in my interest
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By toystorylab - 9 Years Ago
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Galfridus (11/26/2016)
No mention of import by pro or pipeline for .3DS or .skp files.
Both currently supported with 3DX6.
Direct import for 3D warehouse files was once an important selling feature for 3DX.
Geoff.
NO IMPORT of .skp (3D Warehouse) anymore???
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By daichimax - 9 Years Ago
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Hi Community! Where can I find the system requirement for this iClone 7?
Thanks!
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By Alasandro - 9 Years Ago
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daichimax (11/26/2016)
Hi Community! Where can I find the system requirement for this iClone 7?
Thanks!
They have yet to be posted.
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By daichimax - 9 Years Ago
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izolafilms (11/22/2016)
rampart (11/21/2016)
animagic (11/21/2016)
rampart (11/21/2016)
So it doesn't matter if you bought a pipeline version, pro or standard version pack you get the member price with no update price considerations.
That is good for RL cash flow, but IMO... it isn't fair to loyal customers who purchased previous versions.
That went through my mind as well. Usually there is some distinction in upgrade prices. If the upgrade price for CT Animator pipeline was $50 less to previous owners than the member price it would be consideration for loyal customers. As it is, customers or newbs who don't own a previous version of the application are entitled to upgrade pricing and they aren't upgrading. First time buyers of an application who are members...I can agree with member pricing. However, members who are updating previous versions of a specific application should have a longer discounts than member pricing. This type of pricing does cost RL. I currently own CTA 2 pipeline version and I'm not buying the CTA3 pipeline version. Why does RL alienate from their customers? RL could make things better so easy... RL has all kinds of content they can use for perks with member pricing or upgrade pricing. RL bundles include incentive content into their new sales packages, why not use the same thinking by including perks for loyal customers and updating customers of previous versions. This kind of sales practice could be alot of incentive for people, knowing even when they upgraded or bought new products there were incentives for loyalty. I've bought thousands of dollars in content from RL and it's like starting over every time I buy something. :unsure: :ermm: :ermm: It Is disappointing ... I find myself in exactly the same situation, having the same feelings.... I too am a CTA2 Pipeline owner and a loyal long time customer who's spent thousands of dollars on RL products ...
It Is disappointing ... I too find myself in exactly the same situation, having the same feelings.... I bought CTA2PRO+iClone5+3DX5PRO+FF3PRO+iClone6+3DX6PRO+CT8Pipe+ALLPLUGINS+Contents,
believing & loyal long time customer who's spent a lot of $$$ on RL products
...but just I see that win-win pushing marketing running just in one way...
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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pumeco (11/26/2016)
I've never bothered to try it, but aren't the included clothing meshes already supplied in OBJ format anyway, just like the figures?
And at least this wouldn't stop you bringing-in your own custom clothing, because that's an import procedure.
If they have stopped us exporting OBJ unless we have Pipeline (and the clothes are not supplied in OBJ format), I think RL will learn a valuable lesson from it, because it means people will no longer buy ready-made clothes from RL, thinking they can export and customise them. It would mean the only way for non-pipeline users to have custom clothing, is to build their own or import something purchased elsewhere. This doesn't effect me personally, other than it would stop me being able to become a vendor.
But for normal use, making my movies with it, wouldn't effect me because I'd use my own imported cloth meshes anyway.
None of the clothing, or any other item for that matter, in iClone is provided in OBJ format. Everything needs to be sent to 3DXchange and then exported as an OBJ file. This system has been great so far for those users who would like to still be able to use their large collections of G2 - G5 clothing on the CC characters. It is also great when any item needs changes to suit the production being worked on. The iClone/CC>3DXchange>Blender>3D Coat takes time and effort if the user doesn't have the ability to export FBX files as OBJ items need to have the iClone bones transferred from a boned FBX file.
With the iClone 6.5 release and the CC 1.5 release Reallusion provided a selection of FBX and OBJ Base files to make the process easier with transferring the bone structure and creating characters - without the user having to purchase the Pipeline version of 3DX. It would seem that this inexpensive workflow is now no longer available to the normal movie making user of iClone in version 7.
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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JJJAM (11/26/2016)
What do you know! ;)
Is there any possibility that you could elaborate on the statement, and most importantly - who is the statement directed at?
A little Forum protocol goes a long way. :cool:
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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wires (26.11.2016)
JJJAM (11/26/2016)
What do you know! ;)Is there any possibility that you could elaborate on the statement, and most importantly - who is the statement directed at? A little Forum protocol goes a long way. :cool:
Relax. I was just thinking aloud and actually it was kinda directed at myself.
What I wanted to say is, that I really like what I´ve seen so far regarding the further development of iClone, but I also don´t like the upcoming feature/edition policy at all.
Hence I wanted to undergird what you´ve posted.
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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@Sw00000p
The function will not be gone - as in removed forever - it is just not going to be available in any 3DX version with the exception of the Pipeline one.
The FBX/OBJ files are still available free for every user to download and use here, so RL have already made the clothing creation task easier for those who wish to take advantage of it. The continued use of this function just seems to be getting more expensive with the new version.
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By daichimax - 9 Years Ago
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Alasandro (11/22/2016)
Sounds tempting however, I'll wait. No system specs, no new features lists, bug fixes, etc. A little early to be collecting money from your users (for a mystery product) I think. Like other members here in this forum I have spent thousands of dollars on Reallusion software, props and characters and each time a new 'deal' comes along I am a bit taken back by Realussion's refusal to treat it's big money spending long time customers to a special deal. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE iClone... (Just don't like your marketing team very much - and I own a marketing company) I make good money using iClone to create content for my clients, but for now iClone 6 Pro works just great for what I need it for and unless something spectacular is included with iClone 7... OR I begin to feel like Reallusion appreciates my business... I'll just sit on the fence and wait until something comes up that I just have to have and I guess I'll pay whatever price I have to pay.
It Is disappointing ... I too find myself in exactly the same situation, having the same feelings.... I bought CTA2PRO+iClone5+3DX5PRO+FF3PRO+iClone6+3DX6PRO+CT8Pipe+ALLPLUGINS+Contents,
believing & loyal long time customer who's spent a lot of $$$ on RL products
...but just I see that win-win pushing marketing running just in one way...
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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JJJAM (11/26/2016)
wires (26.11.2016)
JJJAM (11/26/2016)
What do you know! ;)Is there any possibility that you could elaborate on the statement, and most importantly - who is the statement directed at? A little Forum protocol goes a long way. :cool: Relax. I was just thinking aloud and actually it was kinda directed at myself.
What I wanted to say is, that I really like what I´ve seen so far regarding the further development of iClone, but I also don´t like the upcoming feature/edition policy at all.
Hence I wanted to undergird what you´ve posted.
Thank you for the clarification. :)
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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wires (26.11.2016)
JJJAM (11/26/2016)
wires (26.11.2016)
JJJAM (11/26/2016)
What do you know! ;)Is there any possibility that you could elaborate on the statement, and most importantly - who is the statement directed at? A little Forum protocol goes a long way. :cool: Relax. I was just thinking aloud and actually it was kinda directed at myself.
What I wanted to say is, that I really like what I´ve seen so far regarding the further development of iClone, but I also don´t like the upcoming feature/edition policy at all.
Hence I wanted to undergird what you´ve posted.
Thank you for the clarification. :)
¡De nada! :)
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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Before we get to excited about missing features in comparison tables, let me point out as a consolation that those tables are usually wrong on initial publication. They have been so in the past. With Thanksgiving, it's a four-day weekend in the US (where RL Sales are located), so there's little chance for clarification until Monday.
Specifically then, the most glaring omissions concerning 3DXChange are:
- No more OBJ export in 3DX Pro
- No more iProp, iAvatar, iAcc, VNS, 3DS, SKP import in any edition (the missing iClone formats tells me someone definitely messed up)
And possibly others.
As a writer/editor it pains my that RL publishes sloppy content on such a joyous occasion, but there is a long tradition of that.
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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Good point, Animagic. Hopefully it turns out that way.
Maybe you guys will even have a new president-elect. Everything is possible nowadays. ;)
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By pumeco - 9 Years Ago
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@Gerry
Sorry, I know what happened there. I was thinking of those same OBJ meshes you linked to in your reply to sw00000p. I've never actually made use of it and just assumed that as there ore OBJ files in it, that the clothes would be treated the same way and just required a different download. I see now it's just a way to build clothes upon them, no clothing OBJ meshes.
Without even trying it, I'm guessing I cannot edit those meshes in Blender to make morphs for CC.
Lets hope Job is right!
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By RobertoColombo - 9 Years Ago
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One thing I am also curious about is:
"- Morph Editor (morph import and blend shape management)"
I wonder if 3DX7 will be able to recognize Blender "shape keys" (3DX6 does not). That would be another wonderful plus: it would open the door to a lot of new and creative possibilities.
Roberto
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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although I can understand here is the other side of the coin. I only use iclone stuff inside iclone and i make silly things and import them into iclone, but because I simply wanted to export a file intact to see how it was set up etc etc for use inside iclone I have always had to purchase the pipeline format... not because I was exporting iclone content for use in a unity game or whatever, but simply because I needed to export a few reallusion made products (characters with clothes mostly) to get the information for use on something I made for use in iclone. So i have been doing this since they introduced the pipeline version in iclone 5...
So although I feel your pain I have been quietly experiencing it since iclone 5 pipeline was introduced so.....
I also paid for a couple of export licenses I guess I should mention that.. not a lot but i was using blender and I needed some information to reverse engineer the stuff so i could get stuff into iclone for use. So been paying all along really...
edit this is fbx exports of course .. bones and weights mostly ..a couple animations stuff like that.
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By KLS_PROD - 9 Years Ago
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I've started doing a lot more in Maya over IClone so that I can have granular control over every aspect of projects.
As a software developer, I like that IC7 will open up it's API and also finally allow scripting.
The new GI feature along with the dev tools will make me reconsider my workflow a bit.
Questions.
1. Will 3DXChange Pipleline be 64bit? (Currently the executable has to be modified to load large models beyond the 32bit memory max)
2. Any word on final render improvements? More render engine choices or at least animation improvements with Indigo?
3. Will IC7 scripting give users control over things like the environment, character/prop animation, facial animation, keyframe animation, defining diffuse/glow,etc... maps?
Hopefully more information will be published as to exactly what we can expect in IC7 throughout 2017.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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sw00000p (11/26/2016)
pumeco (11/26/2016)
Lets hope Job is right!There is NO typo or mistake in that message.
As I've made clear in my post is that the list is in error and doesn't make sense (no import of iClone formats in any version for example) . Also, it is not the first time that information is published in haste and had to be corrected. I know you have your own conspiracy theories about RL, but let's just wait tell next week and get information from someone who knows the facts. Further speculation is pointless and only makes those who actually use iClone for the majority of their work unhappy and we don't want that do we?
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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@KLS_PROD
If you're a serious developper . You can ask directly to reallusion at developer@reallusion.com.
Regarding what they answer me on facebook , there're open to that.
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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When are the next videos coming out LOL so i know when to come back and check the forum. :P
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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urbanlamb (11/27/2016)
When are the next videos coming out LOL so i know when to come back and check the forum. :P
If I read this correctly...
https://www.reallusion.com/event/iClone7-preorder/
WIP Video #1 = November (11th month in 2016)
WIP Video #2 = January 2017 (1st month)
WIP Video #3 = Febrary 2017 (2nd month)
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By urbanlamb - 9 Years Ago
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ah thanks
hrm well I was gonna get pipeline package anyhow... if those are the video dates and not some patch release or something...
I guess I wont bother with the hitfilm I probably will hardly use it .... I was looking for more input on if hitfilm was somehow encorporated into iclone .. using some kind of plugin for sending things one way or the other... (I guess that is the alembic support though.. i guess.. LOL)
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By Peaches Chrenko - 9 Years Ago
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rogyrue (11/26/2016)
izolafilms (11/25/2016)
rogyrue (11/25/2016)
Got IC7 pipeline ,do we just email support for access to Iclone 6 Pipeline ? while we wait for IC7 . Cant see anything in my account settings
thanks
:cool::Wow::cool: I was wondering same thing regarding the purchase of 3dx7pro. Would this mean I would gain access to 3dx6pro until 3dx7 launches??..Couldn't find any info,,, :):)I sent support a email and have recived a link to my Copy of IC6 Pipeline , just put in a ticket if you have IC7 pro you will get sent a free copy of IC6 to use until IC7 drops
:) :D:) Ok great thanks alot! :):hehe:
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By TheOldBuffer - 9 Years Ago
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@ Peter.
Is Character Creator 1.6, that's awaiting download in my account, PBR ready or will there be a new version when iClone 7 is released ?
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By wu_tone - 9 Years Ago
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I have a question, I noticed with the available package bundles for iClone7, there's one that offers:
iClone 7 Studio Pipeline Suite
This bundle includes: My question is, is that CC Essential Complete Bundle (Export) the same one that was also offered with iClone6 a while back? Because I think I already have that one and do not want to purchase it again if I consider taking advantage of the special you guys got going on.
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By TheOldBuffer - 9 Years Ago
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@wu_tone
The only difference is that the Essential bundle in the offer has the export licence.
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By msjaebea - 9 Years Ago
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I am trying to figure out the best deal for me. I own iClone 6 Pro but not 3dxchange. I want to upgrade my iClone and get 3dxchange Pipeline. Could someone help me with this? Also, just one version of iClone 7 this time?
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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Fourth one down on this page. $379.00 member price for iC7 and 3DX7 Pipeline.
http://www.reallusion.com/store/product.html?l=1&p=ic&login=1
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By wu_tone - 9 Years Ago
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TheOldBuffer (11/29/2016)
@wu_tone
The only difference is that the Essential bundle in the offer has the export licence.
Thanks OldBuffer
So let me get this strait, I need to get an Export license to use for each piece of Reallusion software separately? Or just one export license for the Pipeline Suite (i.e. 3DXchange, iClone, Essential)?
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By yoyomaster - 9 Years Ago
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The way I see it, its 3dXchange that does the export, so you only need an export licence(Pipeline) for it to sell stuff.
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By Rampa - 9 Years Ago
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Export licenses are needed for content, not programs. Any content that you buy, unless otherwise specified, requires an export license to export from 3DXchange, iClone (Alembic, in that case) or CC. The Essential pack is content that you purchase, so it requires an export license.
Default content, the content that ships with iClone, does not require an export license.
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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rampa (12/2/2016)
The Essential pack is content that you purchase, so it requires an export license..
That still bothers me. It's not a matter of price, but it "sounds" like you are buying content, and you are, but you are also buying functionality; for example, the ability to add decals (of your own making) onto your avatars. It is not immediately obvious that you are foregoing useful capability if you don't buy the Essentials Pack.
Yes, I know it's explained somewhere on the web page, but it is easy to pass it over, thinking, "I don't need extra stuff, and I certainly don't need to export." It's like finding out that buy buying a pair of avatars you also get motion capture or something like that. You wouldn't read the extra print on an avatar bundle to look for extra functionality.
It really should be positioned as "CC-basic" and "CC-advanced" (or "Pro") or something like that, so you know you're not getting full functionality if you only by CC without the bundle.
Actually, I would rather have them increase the price by $5 or $10 and have one fully functional version of CC, with the reasonable exception of the export license.
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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More additional information on the content/pricing has been added here.
Among the changes:
** Motion Curve Graph Editor (Plug-in): - Motion Curve Graph Editor is a plug-in for iClone 7
- This plug-in will be available when iClone 7.1 releases
- This will be a paid plug-in for iClone 7. (price will be announced when available)
- The plug-in will be included as a free bonus for any purchase of iClone 7 & 3DXchange 7 Pipeline bundles
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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I see, what a surprise turnaround. ;)
This also means that the Curve Editor will not be available at the release of iC7, right?
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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JJJAM (12/2/2016)
I see, what a surprise turnaround. ;)
This also means that the Curve Editor will not be available at the release of iC7, right?
Not unless the initial release is going to be ver. 7.1. :Whistling:
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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JJJAM (12/2/2016)
I see, what a surprise turnaround. ;)
This also means that the Curve Editor will not be available at the release of iC7, right?
That is correct. It seems features are introduced in phases (7.0, 7.1, 7.2), hopefully with not too much time between them. What they are doing differently is that the early release coincides with the start of Beta testing, presumably with the intention of getting feedback from a broader population of users than 20 or 30 Beta testers. That might be a good thing.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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wires (12/2/2016)
Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.
That's really a piece of the puzzle that was announced a long time ago, but never materialized. Again, just a plugin would be better than having to buy CT8 Pipeline.
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By LarryPlane - 9 Years Ago
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wires (12/2/2016)
JJJAM (12/2/2016)
I see, what a surprise turnaround. ;)
This also means that the Curve Editor will not be available at the release of iC7, right?Not unless the initial release is going to be ver. 7.1. :Whistling:
Well that makes things more interesting for me....
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (02.12.2016)
wires (12/2/2016)
Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.That's really a piece of the puzzle that was announced a long time ago, but never materialized. Again, just a plugin would be better than having to buy CT8 Pipeline.
That´s something I can´t understand at all. It´s already there and it shouldn´t be a big challenge for RL to reprogram.
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By duchess110 - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (12/2/2016)
wires (12/2/2016)
Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.That's really a piece of the puzzle that was announced a long time ago, but never materialized. Again, just a plugin would be better than having to buy CT8 Pipeline.
Perhaps it Is going to join GoZ something that was talked about and promoted as a selling feature included in the promo price but never came to be.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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animagic (12/2/2016)
That is correct. It seems features are introduced in phases (7.0, 7.1, 7.2), hopefully with not too much time between them. What they are doing differently is that the early release coincides with the start of Beta testing, presumably with the intention of getting feedback from a broader population of users than 20 or 30 Beta testers. That might be a good thing.
There will actually be a limited closed Beta before early access begins. :)
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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wires (12/2/2016)
Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.
This is still very much on the table but will not be in the first batch of plugins sadly.
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (12/2/2016)
wires (12/2/2016)
Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.This is still very much on the table but will not be in the first batch of plugins sadly.
Thank you for the information, it's nice to know that the plan hasn't been dropped. :)
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (02.12.2016)
wires (12/2/2016)
Still no mention of a plugin for face/head creation using photos, but it's early days.This is still very much on the table but will not be in the first batch of plugins sadly.
Sounds like if there are quite more than just one plug-in on the table already.
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By mtakerkart - 9 Years Ago
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There will actually be a limited closed Beta before early access begins
How much to be in ???? :w00t: :w00t:
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By WRW - 9 Years Ago
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When or IF will they have a MAC version of iClone out?
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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mtakerkart (12/2/2016)
There will actually be a limited closed Beta before early access begins
How much to be in ???? :w00t: :w00t:
We take Visa, Mastercard, American express. :D
Seriously it will be by invitation only and quite limited before early release. The aim will be to test certain new features.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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WRW (12/2/2016)
When or IF will they have a MAC version of iClone out?
No Mac version I'm afraid. iClone 7 remains a Windows only product.
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By Kevin.S - 9 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (12/2/2016)
mtakerkart (12/2/2016)
There will actually be a limited closed Beta before early access begins
How much to be in ???? :w00t: :w00t:
We take Visa, Mastercard, American express. :D
Seriously it will be by invitation only and quite limited before early release. The aim will be to test certain new features.
How do we become a beta tester ?
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By wu_tone - 9 Years Ago
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rampa (12/2/2016)
Export licenses are needed for content, not programs. Any content that you buy, unless otherwise specified, requires an export license to export from 3DXchange, iClone (Alembic, in that case) or CC. The Essential pack is content that you purchase, so it requires an export license.
Default content, the content that ships with iClone, does not require an export license.
Okay, thanks. However, I don't think I understood what you shared clearly.. But what I would like to know is if I have to repurchase the CC Essentials Bundle again to get the export license for it. I had bought that when I got the iClone 6 Pipeline that included 3dXchange and it came with a CC Essentials Bundle. I also have an export license, but the way they have this offered for the iClone7 version is confusing. I don't want to purchase something I already got if I decide to get that pipeline version they have coming out for 7. Excuse me for my noviceness, I'm new to the Reallusion Realm.
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By animagic - 9 Years Ago
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wu_tone (12/4/2016)
Okay, thanks. However, I don't think I understood what you shared clearly.. But what I would like to know is if I have to repurchase the CC Essentials Bundle again to get the export license for it. I had bought that when I got the iClone 6 Pipeline that included 3dXchange and it came with a CC Essentials Bundle. I also have an export license, but the way they have this offered for the iClone7 version is confusing. I don't want to purchase something I already got if I decide to get that pipeline version they have coming out for 7. Excuse me for my noviceness, I'm new to the Reallusion Realm.
Well, I have been around the block a few times in the RL world, but I was confused too. The offer web page only mentions the iClone 7 Pipeline Suite, which includes the Essentials Bundle, for $529. OOPS!...:w00t:
However, there is a link to another page that gives a full price overview here: http://kb.reallusion.com/Purchase/51484/What-is-the-best-price-offered-during-the-Preorder-campaign. There you will find the price for just iClone 7 + 3DXchange 7 Pipeline, which is $379 during pre-sale. If you have the Essentials Bundle already, then that's all you need.
I hope this clarifies your concerns. If not, don't hesitate to ask!
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By JIX - 9 Years Ago
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kevin.S (03.12.2016)
Peter (RL) (12/2/2016)
mtakerkart (12/2/2016)
There will actually be a limited closed Beta before early access begins
How much to be in ???? :w00t: :w00t:
We take Visa, Mastercard, American express. :D
Seriously it will be by invitation only and quite limited before early release. The aim will be to test certain new features. How do we become a beta tester ?
By application when they start the Beta Program. They announced it on the forum in the past.
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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@Peter (RL) or anyone else who knows for sure...
What is the return policy for pre-orders?
The Reallusion policy states, "Requests must be made within 14 days of your purchase from Reallusion."
Does the 14-day clock start ticking:
a) When you place the order
b) When you are billed
c) When the release becomes available for download, or
d) When you actually download it?
I think I know what the answer is, but figured it is best to ask.
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By dkelso6372 - 9 Years Ago
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What problems should I anticipate if I go from iClone5 to iClone7? (I never purchased iClone6).
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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I'm not too sure if one can speak about problems. There are many differences between 5 & 6, mostly in the user interface but most importantly in the Hardware requirements. iClone 7 hasn't been released yet, but the Hardware requirements seem to be almost the same as those for 6. There have been no details released regarding the final UI, but if it is anything like the IC 6 one then there is a small learning curve to find out just where some items have been moved to, and also get used to using the new features.
You should be able to get an idea of things if you download the IC6 30 day trial, this will also let you know if your PC can handle it. Also take a look at the many videos on the Reallusion YouTube site.
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By hhiiffii - 9 Years Ago
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I own 3dxchange 6 pipeline and iClone 6 pro. I have found enough info on iClone 7 to warrant upgrading but I can find no information on 3dxchange 7 pipeline. Will 3dxchange 6 pipeline work with iClone 7? If not where can I find info on 3dxchange 7 pipeline?
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By wires - 9 Years Ago
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blakecyr (12/11/2016)
I own 3dxchange 6 pipeline and iClone 6 pro. I have found enough info on iClone 7 to warrant upgrading but I can find no information on 3dxchange 7 pipeline. Will 3dxchange 6 pipeline work with iClone 7? If not where can I find info on 3dxchange 7 pipeline?
At the moment there is no detailed information available on 3DXchange 7 except what has been posted in the comparison chart at the very bottom of this page. 3DXchange should be able to convert assets for use in iClone 7, but it is extremely unlikely that you will be able to import any assets from iClone 7 for export to other software.
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By Delerna - 9 Years Ago
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You should be able to use 3dXchage6 to create models for iClone 7. however these models will not have the new features of IClone 7. You will need 3dXchange 7 for that. Exactly what the new features are that you need 3dXchange 7 for and whether it will be worth the price remains to be seen.
I have already bought both but nothing wrong with holding back on upgrading 3dXchange in order to determine if it is worth it for you
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By justaviking - 9 Years Ago
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Bump...
justaviking (12/5/2016)
@Peter (RL) or anyone else who knows for sure...
What is the return policy for pre-orders?
The Reallusion policy states, "Requests must be made within 14 days of your purchase from Reallusion."
Does the 14-day clock start ticking:
a) When you place the order
b) When you are billed
c) When the release becomes available for download, or
d) When you actually download it?
I think I know what the answer is, but figured it is best to ask.
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By Peter (RL) - 9 Years Ago
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justaviking (12/15/2016)
Bump... justaviking (12/5/2016)
@Peter (RL) or anyone else who knows for sure...
What is the return policy for pre-orders?
The Reallusion policy states, "Requests must be made within 14 days of your purchase from Reallusion."
Does the 14-day clock start ticking:
a) When you place the order
b) When you are billed
c) When the release becomes available for download, or
d) When you actually download it?
I think I know what the answer is, but figured it is best to ask.
Apologies for the late reply. I will double check this with our sales team and will let you know.
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By LPmoviestvs - 8 Years Ago
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peter when is part 2 to iclone 7
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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WIP video #2 planned for "January"
WIP video #3 planned for "Februrary"
@Peter(RL) - Any more accurate estimates yet? Will #2 be closer to Jan 10 or Jan 31? Or is it likely to slip into February?
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By Peter (RL) - 8 Years Ago
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justaviking(1/7/2017)
WIP video #2 planned for "January"
WIP video #3 planned for "Februrary"
@Peter(RL) - Any more accurate estimates yet? Will #2 be closer to Jan 10 or Jan 31? Or is it likely to slip into February?
The plan is still the same and hopefully there won't be any delays (fingers crossed). Of course the WIP videos are tied to the development process and so any unexpected hold ups there could affect the release of the WIP videos.
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By LPmoviestvs - 8 Years Ago
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thanks for the info justaviking and peter well keep my eye out for it well go the bell on anyways have a great weekend guys :)
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By Peter (RL) - 8 Years Ago
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justaviking (12/5/2016)
@Peter (RL) or anyone else who knows for sure...
What is the return policy for pre-orders?
The Reallusion policy states, "Requests must be made within 14 days of your purchase from Reallusion."
Does the 14-day clock start ticking:
a) When you place the order
b) When you are billed
c) When the release becomes available for download, or
d) When you actually download it?
I think I know what the answer is, but figured it is best to ask.
Hi Viking,
It took a while but you can now find the return policy for iClone 7 pre-orders HERE.
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By justaviking - 8 Years Ago
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Thank you for the info, Peter(RL).
The 14-day clock starting upon official release is what I was expecting.
The "installation of iC6" stopping you from doing a return is a surprise that I hadn't thought of.
In any case, I sure hope nobody feels the need to return iC7. Everything looks awesome from what I've seen so far.
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By kevroneem31 - 8 Years Ago
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PEACE!!! I CALLED REALLUSION TOWARDS THE END OF MARCH AFTER NOTICING YOU GUYS ADVERTISING ICLONE 7 SINCE NOVEMBER I ASK THE REPRESENTATIVE WHEN WAS THE RELEASE DATE I WAS TOLD APRIL OR MAY, APRIL IS GONE "NOTHING", MIDDLE OF MAY "NOTHING", NOW YOUR ADVERTISING JUNE........ WHY ARE YOU GIVING OUT FALSE INFO/ADVERTISEMENT ?????
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By Zeronimo - 8 Years Ago
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kevroneem31 (5/17/2017)
WHY ARE YOU GIVING OUT FALSE INFO/ADVERTISEMENT ?????
Forecasts are only forecasts.
During development they may have encountered unexpected difficulties or a developer was sick for a long time.
I think they prefer to deliver a product as perfect as possible rather than an unfinished product and for which all users will complain.
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By LPmoviestvs - 8 Years Ago
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is say in june it out
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By LPmoviestvs - 8 Years Ago
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https://www.reallusion.com/event/iClone7-preorder/
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By gamegodstudios - 8 Years Ago
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Hi Peter,
I have been looking at the pre-sale offer of Iclone 7 and I love all of the features and the software that comes with the bundle but I'm a bit skeptical. The reason why is because I have a Mac and I wanted to know if the software will be available for Mac users? I do have a Gaming PC in the meantime that is capable of running all of the software but I enjoy working with my Mac. Will there be a Iclone 7 version for Mac in the future? If I was to purchase the Iclone 7 pre-order now and you guys releases a Mac Version of the software, would I be able to convert my software to run on Mac or do I have to repurchase the software again?
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By Pete_RL - 8 Years Ago
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gamegodstudios (6/2/2017)
Hi Peter,
I have been looking at the pre-sale offer of Iclone 7 and I love all of the features and the software that comes with the bundle but I'm a bit skeptical. The reason why is because I have a Mac and I wanted to know if the software will be available for Mac users? I do have a Gaming PC in the meantime that is capable of running all of the software but I enjoy working with my Mac. Will there be a Iclone 7 version for Mac in the future? If I was to purchase the Iclone 7 pre-order now and you guys releases a Mac Version of the software, would I be able to convert my software to run on Mac or do I have to repurchase the software again?
Unfortunately there are no immediate plans for a Mac version of iClone 7.
Sorry I can't bring you better news.
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By gamegodstudios - 8 Years Ago
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Thanks for the reply, do you know when iclone 7 will be released?
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By LPmoviestvs - 8 Years Ago
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this mouth
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