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By gridlost - 10 Years Ago
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Granted i am not a very learned user of either Iclone or Exchange. I have spent allot of money with Reallusion lately.I currently own IC6 Pro, Indogo, Substance, Exchange 5 and 6 Pipeline. The only major package i am missing is the Avatar Kits which I will be getting later this year. I have not mentioned the numerous content packs I also have purchased. I am not trying to boast, just make a point I am a good customer and would happily purchase this feature. I love all the products. This being said... the one thing exchange is lacking is a boning system. When I model stuff in Zbrush, I dislike having to go to yet another package just to bone/rig a model for animation. Why can't boning be done in Xchange? Am I missing a feature due to a lack of my understanding or have the Developers felt there is no need for them to offer this kind of service? Why should I have to learn Blender or Maya just to animate a Zbrush sculpted custom model in Iclone? Those both are modeling and animation packages. I do not wish to learn yet one more package. I still need to master Magix Music maker for Audio assembly and editing and still yet Adobe Premiere Elements 11 for doing a final assembly of my videos.
Reallusion,
Please include some kind of bone generator in an update for exchange 6 pipeline or make it an up-gradable add-on for it. I know there are plans for more features like GoZ for zbrush. Could you all add something like this or are there Complications to this kind of module? I am dense and misunderstanding this, I apologize.
Thank you for your time,
Gridlost
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By vidi - 10 Years Ago
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I think to rig and animate a sculpted mesh is not a good Idea .
Zbrush is good for making detailsmap or morphs.
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By gridlost - 10 Years Ago
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vidi (6/27/2015)
I think to rig and animate a sculpted mesh is not a good Idea .
Zbrush is good for making detailsmap or morphs.
with all due respect Vidi,
Zbrush is used for creating full models. There is no issue in using them in animation. Those that have issues with this are not taking advantage of the full set of tools Zbrush provides. The only thing I can't do in Zbrush is RIg/add bones. I can even animate in Zbrush to a limited degree. Zbrush has come a very long way in the last 5 years. Low poly modeling is now very possible in Zbrush. You can make your high res Sculpt, then make your Vector Displacement maps, Decimate your model down to a manageable size then export it out. not hard to do at all. Heck you can paint and texture. Zbrush is not a "3D coat" or Mudbox. It is far better. Today you can even low poly Box model. The package is very complete.
I have seen Warlord on a few occasions create a model from Zbrush, then take it to a program to rig/bone then go through Xchange to get the model into Iclone. I just propose taking that silly middle step out of the pipeline. This would save me a lot of time as an independent modeler and animator.
But ultimately you miss my point. A boning /Rigging system would be a great feature for Xchange 6 pipeline. it would be one less step for people to take to get their models into IClone.
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By vidi - 10 Years Ago
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I thought ZBrush is a sculpting tool
Therefore I wrote
I think to rig and animate a sculpted mesh is not a good Idea .
Important to know , sculpting and modeling is not the same.
sculpt and decimate is the wrong way , you get not edge loops for nice bending, but it is necessary for animation.
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By wendyluvscatz - 10 Years Ago
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there are quite a few free rigging options
DAZ studio is one and Blender if you are game
DS can be quite easy depending on how you do it
once you have rigged a few things you can even re-use those figures with the transfer utility to rig others if wanting to use your own bones for redistribution.
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By vidi - 10 Years Ago
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I am afraid it is not he wants to read
I do not wish to learn yet one more package
also seems, he is looking for a automatic solution
Please include some kind of bone generator
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By wendyluvscatz - 10 Years Ago
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well in that case there is Mixamo
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By gridlost - 10 Years Ago
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vidi (6/28/2015)
I thought ZBrush is a sculpting tool Therefore I wrote I think to rig and animate a sculpted mesh is not a good Idea . Important to know , sculpting and modeling is not the same. sculpt and decimate is the wrong way , you get not edge loops for nice bending, but it is necessary for animation.
Sculpting and Modeling are the same thing Vidi. I can sculpt in Zbrush, then Zremesh the model that will give it better topology, with manageable Polys. Clean loops. Animetable geometry can easily be generated in Zbrush.
I mispoke when I said Decimate.
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By gridlost - 10 Years Ago
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wendyluvscatz (7/27/2015)
there are quite a few free rigging options
DAZ studio is one and Blender if you are game
DS can be quite easy depending on how you do it
once you have rigged a few things you can even re-use those figures with the transfer utility to rig others if wanting to use your own bones for redistribution.
Wendy, Thanks for responding!
I could try to go the Daz Route, but that would mean adding a 2 more steps to the pipeline. Figuring out how to import my models into Daz, how much more will I have to ruin my Model to do that? Will it look good after it leaves Daz and in imported into IClone. The feature I am requesting would further complete the Iclone experience. It would decrease reliance on 3rd party tools. This would make Xchange more valuable. If not include it into exchange, then how about make it a module for either Exchange or Iclone Pro. The less I have to leave Iclone the more I can produce is less time.Give me a reason to not have to use Maya or Blender.
Iclone is already in the process of out moding Daz. Look at the new Character creation system they are going to roll out. once that launches I can say goodbye to any further purchases in Daz. I will import the last of my Daz models and be done with it. I have poured over a grand into Iclone. I would rather keep my investments here.
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By planetstardragon - 10 Years Ago
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while sculpting and modeling are relatively the same thing, sculpting is a relatively new term in the digital realm vs traditional polygonal modeling. I don't hear about anyone 'sculpting' a model for a game, you model a low poly character, you don't sculpt one. the high detail in voxel mesh modeling relates more to the nuances found in sculpting, as in with clay. one would sooner say that they can model a cube with 6 faces, than sculpt one with 6 faces.
so yes, sculpting and modeling is to avatars like china and india is to asia.
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By gridlost - 10 Years Ago
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planetstardragon (7/28/2015)
while sculpting and modeling are relatively the same thing, sculpting is a relatively new term in the digital realm vs traditional polygonal modeling. I don't hear about anyone 'sculpting' a model for a game, you model a low poly character, you don't sculpt one. the high detail in voxel mesh modeling relates more to the nuances found in sculpting, as in with clay.
one would sooner say that they can model a cube with 6 faces, than sculpt one with 6 faces.
so yes, sculpting and modeling is to avatars like china and india is to asia.
Tomato Tomahto
But that being Said, Dear Dragon, I like your comparison much more. On these sites that offer software for out of box figure placement and animation, I have often witnessed a bit of sneering to those who use sculpting tools and make thier own models. Also, like wise, on sites that that cater to modeling packages and figure software Prejudice as well.
I sit right in the middle. I think both kinds of software have much to offer each other. I often find myself defending either side, trying to explain that the packages can and do work in hand in hand. I am not saying Vidi was sneering, I just wanted to correct the line of thinking that Zbrush was not a good process to use for creation of models of characters.
But I digress, Dragon, do you have thoughts on my original discussion concerning a rigging system being built into exchange or even IClone Pro?
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By planetstardragon - 10 Years Ago
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i have mixed feelings about it - to be honest, i personally would opt for addressing the issues that need addressing the most aka bug fixing and fine tuning.... before adding more possible points of bugs - i have several other packages that do rigging, with the newest being akeytsu - they focus on rigging and animating ...and i really like that focused theme. The RL is a very talented, but small team.....and i think it would be better for the long run, if they focused on fine tuning what we have ( and will soon have ) to work flawlessly. We do have long periods of wait time between patches.....and i'd rather have a finely tuned set of tools ...than a box full of incomplete toys.
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By prabhatM - 10 Years Ago
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gridlost (7/28/2015)
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Iclone is already in the process of out moding Daz. Look at the new Character creation system they are going to roll out. once that launches I can say goodbye to any further purchases in Daz. I will import the last of my Daz models and be done with it.
I strongly doubt that this is the end of your DAZ purchases. :)
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