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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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The next version of CrazyTalk is still under development so we don't have any official news to reveal right now. However we do hope to have a teaser of what to expect soon.
Regarding full bodies characters, this is very unlikely in CT8. CrazyTalk has always been for facial animation only with CrazyTalk Animator being the software for full bodied 2D animation.
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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By GSDlady - 10 Years Ago
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I like to see at least the option to have the hands move with the head and shoulders. That would be an awesome feature!
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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GSDlady (6/15/2015)
I like to see at least the option to have the hands move with the head and shoulders. That would be an awesome feature!
Thanks for the suggestion. To be honest it is unlikely that we will add these features to CrazyTalk because these features are already available in CrazyTalk Animator. We do try to keep the two products separate with CrazyTalk concentrating on talking heads only and CrazyTalk Animator being the choice for 2D full bodied character animation.
If you do have any other requests for CrazyTalk, please do post them in the Wishful Features forum below. We love to hear all suggestions and everything is considered :)
https://forum.reallusion.com/CrazyTalk-Animator/Wishful-Features--Craft-Your-Dream-Tools
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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Dr. Fun (6/17/2015)
Hi, Just to clarify, I am referring to the feature that was removed from CrazyTalk Animator when it went from version 1 to version 2. The full body photo fitting I am referring to is no longer available in any of the products in the current Reallusion product line. Thanks!
We have had many requests for the return of the Actor Creator from CTA1 and so this is something that will certainly be considered for the next version of CrazyTalk Animator. :)
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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By JRCrazy - 10 Years Ago
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Woo hoo, let's hope this is real. Really looking forward to next release. Please tell me that it will fork out to Android.
With the droid platform holding 80% of the smartphone market, it would be a great decision.
Best,
JR
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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With the death of the Unity plugin, RL needs to come up with a way to do and export real time lip syncing for HTML5 & Javascript, making it useful once more as an interactive web resource. We want to use it more in our online educational stuff, but we're moving all our interactives to HTML5/Javascript/CSS and not using any plugins anymore. It also need to be able to animate multiple heads within the same photograph. And I don't mean mask out multiple people from a photograph, thus making multiple characters but instead be able to fit multiple facial rigs on top of a single photograph with multiple people in it, in order to facilitate a discussion amongst people in the same photograph, as well as sing songs together for holiday cards, etc...
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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I think another great addition of this application is if it could be built as a plugin for AfterEffects... It'd certainly boost it's use, assuming it was designed well and worked well...
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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Hello! Any Reallusion staff; is there any word on CrazyTalk 8? At one of the webinars a couple of months ago, the presenter mentioned that version 8 might include facial motion capture! That would be a remarkable addition. Is there any word on either a release date or a feature list?
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By Kelleytoons - 10 Years Ago
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There is some preliminary info on CT8 but at the moment it only looks like it only adds the ability to make 3D heads:
http://www.reallusion.com/event/CrazyTalk8-Presale/
While this is of great importance to those of us who use iClone, I'm kind of surprised there aren't announced at least some new CT features for the rest of you. While making a 3D head *could* be somewhat useful for facial animation, it really isn't necessary for CT per se.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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Kelleytoons (11/7/2015)
There is some preliminary info on CT8 but at the moment it only looks like it only adds the ability to make 3D heads: http://www.reallusion.com/event/CrazyTalk8-Presale/While this is of great importance to those of us who use iClone, I'm kind of surprised there aren't announced at least some new CT features for the rest of you. While making a 3D head *could* be somewhat useful for facial animation, it really isn't necessary for CT per se.
As a long time user of CrazyTalk, I agree... All the new features leave us long time users of CT in the cold, while iClone users get all the new whizzbang features and functions. Even though the 2D features haven't been removed as far as wek know, neither does it sound like they've been enhanced or added too. I'm betting we'll still be limited to one avatar in a movie clip at a time, something CT users have been complaining about since it was removed from version 6.
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By Kelleytoons - 10 Years Ago
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Hmmm -- only one avatar is definitely limiting. If they are truly positioning CT as the "facial animation component" of their product line they had better reconsider this, as having two folks (or whatever) talk to themselves is Really Important.
I get the feeling right now that RL is kind of stumbling through this transition. While I do applaud the basic idea behind what they want to do, the execution (particularly when it comes to the existing customer base) certainly leaves a lot to be desired.
Hopefully at the end of this we'll all be happy (or happier?).
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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Kelleytoons (11/7/2015)
There is some preliminary info on CT8 but at the moment it only looks like it only adds the ability to make 3D heads: http://www.reallusion.com/event/CrazyTalk8-Presale/While this is of great importance to those of us who use iClone, I'm kind of surprised there aren't announced at least some new CT features for the rest of you. While making a 3D head *could* be somewhat useful for facial animation, it really isn't necessary for CT per se. wizaerd (11/7/2015)
As a long time user of CrazyTalk, I agree... All the new features leave us long time users of CT in the cold, while iClone users get all the new whizzbang features and functions. Even though the 2D features haven't been removed as far as wek know, neither does it sound like they've been enhanced or added too. I'm betting we'll still be limited to one avatar in a movie clip at a time, something CT users have been complaining about since it was removed from version 6.
@wizaerd, @Kelleytoons
Did you guys actually watch the Work in Progress video? To be honest it doesn't seem so based on the comments you made.
The video is ALL about the new features of CrazyTalk 8 for CrazyTalk users. This video doesn't cover iClone export at all so I'm totally puzzled to hear comments that the information is only relevant to iClone users. To be clear the 3D head features of CrazyTalk 8 are not just for iClone users. This is the new and advanced way to create talking heads in CrazyTalk 8.
Sure 2D is still there for backwards compatibility, but 3D is the way forward for CrazyTalk and the way we expect most CT users to use the software from now on. With the 2D system we used previously there were obvious limitations with regards to how much head movement you could have. With 3D you now don't have those limitations and your character can move in a more realistic and expressive way. I would urge you to take another look at the video. You will see that everything shown is happening in CrazyTalk 8 and can be used by CrazyTalk users who don't even own or want iClone.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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Dr. Fun (11/6/2015)
Hello! Any Reallusion staff; is there any word on CrazyTalk 8? At one of the webinars a couple of months ago, the presenter mentioned that version 8 might include facial motion capture! That would be a remarkable addition. Is there any word on either a release date or a feature list?
Facial motion capture won't be part of CrazyTalk 8 (at least initially), but plenty of exciting new features have been added including a new 3D Head Creator.
Please take a look at the Work In Progress Part 1 video below to see the exciting changes coming in CT8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGxo4rHzM4
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By Kelleytoons - 10 Years Ago
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Peter,
I'm no CT person (I bought CT1, and then a year ago CT6 but have never even booted it up. Now I'll have CT8 (well, the Pipeline thingee) but it's still pretty unlikely I'd ever use it on my own), so I couldn't really judge how well (or not) the quality of the animation was using a 3D approach as opposed to...? What, the old CT?. Wizard is the expert here (at least WAY more advanced than I am) so perhaps you should speak to him in that regard (he seems disappointed in it but maybe he *didn't* see the video).
I have seen some videos DONE with CT and one of the things I always kind of hated about it was the way it sort of "kludged" 3D when, for example, moving the head forward, or turning it to one side or the other. So if that's the kind of thing you are saying will be fixed by this then I'm sure CT users will be happy -- I certainly am in no way trying to speak for them.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/7/2015)
Kelleytoons (11/7/2015)
There is some preliminary info on CT8 but at the moment it only looks like it only adds the ability to make 3D heads: http://www.reallusion.com/event/CrazyTalk8-Presale/While this is of great importance to those of us who use iClone, I'm kind of surprised there aren't announced at least some new CT features for the rest of you. While making a 3D head *could* be somewhat useful for facial animation, it really isn't necessary for CT per se. wizaerd (11/7/2015)
As a long time user of CrazyTalk, I agree... All the new features leave us long time users of CT in the cold, while iClone users get all the new whizzbang features and functions. Even though the 2D features haven't been removed as far as wek know, neither does it sound like they've been enhanced or added too. I'm betting we'll still be limited to one avatar in a movie clip at a time, something CT users have been complaining about since it was removed from version 6.
@wizaerd, @Kelleytoons
Did you guys actually watch the Work in Progress video? To be honest it doesn't seem so based on the comments you made.
The video is ALL about the new features of CrazyTalk 8 for CrazyTalk users. This video doesn't cover iClone export at all so I'm totally puzzled to hear comments that the information is only relevant to iClone users. To be clear the 3D head features of CrazyTalk 8 are not just for iClone users. This is the new and advanced way to create talking heads in CrazyTalk 8.
Sure 2D is still there for backwards compatibility, but 3D is the way forward for CrazyTalk and the way we expect most CT users to use the software from now on. With the 2D system we used previously there were obvious limitations with regards to how much head movement you could have. With 3D you now don't have those limitations and your character can move in a more realistic and expressive way. I would urge you to take another look at the video. You will see that everything shown is happening in CrazyTalk 8 and can be used by CrazyTalk users who don't even own or want iClone.
I watched them, and quite frankly as a long time user of CT, I was not impressed. I don't want 3D heads, never did, if I did I'd use iClone for it. I didn't use CT to create avatars, I used CT to make talking photographs. I rarely ever took a character out of photograph to make an avatar, I used it to make a talking photograph. The 3D head doesn't make that useful at all.And now the 3D heads will be bald, which again isn't useful either. I'm sure there'll be 3D hair, but if it's anything like the hair selection in iClone, it'll be dismal. So no, I'm not excited about this at all, and to me it looks like nothing but an addon for iClone. I know Peter, you say differently, but that's what it looks like for me, as someone who wants to continue making talking photographs with 2D characters.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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Kelleytoons (11/7/2015)
Peter,
I'm no CT person (I bought CT1, and then a year ago CT6 but have never even booted it up. Now I'll have CT8 (well, the Pipeline thingee) but it's still pretty unlikely I'd ever use it on my own), so I couldn't really judge how well (or not) the quality of the animation was using a 3D approach as opposed to...? What, the old CT?. Wizard is the expert here (at least WAY more advanced than I am) so perhaps you should speak to him in that regard (he seems disappointed in it but maybe he *didn't* see the video).
I have seen some videos DONE with CT and one of the things I always kind of hated about it was the way it sort of "kludged" 3D when, for example, moving the head forward, or turning it to one side or the other. So if that's the kind of thing you are saying will be fixed by this then I'm sure CT users will be happy -- I certainly am in no way trying to speak for them.
Thanks for the reply and explaining your position. :)
My point was that some of the comments being posted are giving the impression that CrazyTalk 8 is some kind of add-on tool or plugin for iClone 6 and this is very misleading. To be clear CrazyTalk 8 is very much a standalone product in the same tradition as all previous CT versions, only now it works in 3D and has a head export option for iClone 6 for those who use both programs.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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wizaerd (11/7/2015)
I watched them, and quite frankly as a long time user of CT, I was not impressed. I don't want 3D heads, never did, if I did I'd use iClone for it. I didn't use CT to create avatars, I used CT to make talking photographs. I rarely ever took a character out of photograph to make an avatar, I used it to make a talking photograph. The 3D head doesn't make that useful at all.And now the 3D heads will be bald, which again isn't useful either. I'm sure there'll be 3D hair, but if it's anything like the hair selection in iClone, it'll be dismal. So no, I'm not excited about this at all, and to me it looks like nothing but an addon for iClone. I know Peter, you say differently, but that's what it looks like for me, as someone who wants to continue making talking photographs with 2D characters.
Thanks for the feedback. Of course 3D won't be for everyone although the results are pretty much photo realistic so you may change your mind once you try it. ;)
Unfortunately with 2D we had kind of reached the limits of what could be done with it. Sure we could have gone back and created a hybrid of CT6 and CT7 but fundamentally the face creation process would still be the same along with the same limitations. With CT8 the team have decided to try something different and take the "Talking Head" genre to the next level and for us 3D can do that. However 2D will still be there for those who just want to use CrazyTalk the same way as they did previously.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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I remember doing animated Christmas cards, using a photograph of the grandkids (when CT6 allowed multiple actors)... Using celebrity photographs to deliver short jokes or one liners, animated comic strips, singing photographs, animated company employee profiles, etc... So many uses for animated photographs that could've benefitted from new features and enhancements... Things no other application can do... CT was truly unique. I will miss it.
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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Wizaerd - I understand your feelings about that. I miss not being able to do the full-body animation of a 2D image that used to be possible in CrazyTalk Animator version 1. I can still achieve the same results with Adobe products, but it was vastly quicker in CTA1.
But moving forward, I will be interested in finding out what the upgrade path will be from CrazyTalk 7 to version 8.
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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I have never used CrazyTalk, only CrazyTalk Animator. I have to admit, what I have seen of CrazyTalk 8 has me very excited to test it out.
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By Alien Maniac - 10 Years Ago
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This is the first I have heard of CT 8 Pro coming out......interesting.
UM any idea when the user upgrade will be out? Also any info on it yet?
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By Alien Maniac - 10 Years Ago
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Oh, I just saw the adv on RL......
So we can spend $249 for things and get it free (CT8 Pipeline)
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Buy the (RL value $199) Program CT8P.
WOW, but where is the user Upgrade price/s?
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Are we current users going to be forced to pay the same as anyone new to CT8P? NOT a good idea RL.
Please do not insult us like that again.
I currently use CT 7 Pro and we users should get a fair upgrade pricing even for the new CT8 Pipeline version from CT 7 PRO.
It is simple.... we users support RL and they support the users. It isn't rocket science....lol
Where would you be without us? Struggling to get by.
I suggest also that you put out an RL Products users EMAIL to let people know it is coming soon. I just happen to stumble on this in the forums today....
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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wizaerd (11/7/2015)
I remember doing animated Christmas cards, using a photograph of the grandkids (when CT6 allowed multiple actors)... Using celebrity photographs to deliver short jokes or one liners, animated comic strips, singing photographs, animated company employee profiles, etc... So many uses for animated photographs that could've benefitted from new features and enhancements... Things no other application can do... CT was truly unique. I will miss it.
Why will you miss it? The older versions do not become obsolete just because a new version comes out. I still use CrazyTalk 6 when I want to animate more than one character from a photo. I prefer CrazyTalk 7 overall because of the cool features such as auto motion but there is nothing wrong in using an older version if it offers something a newer version doesn't.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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Bray42 (11/10/2015)
Are we current users going to be forced to pay the same as anyone new to CT8P? NOT a good idea RL.
Please do not insult us like that again.
You won't have to pay the new users price. Current CT7 users can wait until CT8 is released and just upgrade for a discounted price in the normal way. :)
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By jann - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/10/2015)
wizaerd (11/7/2015)
I remember doing animated Christmas cards, using a photograph of the grandkids (when CT6 allowed multiple actors)... Using celebrity photographs to deliver short jokes or one liners, animated comic strips, singing photographs, animated company employee profiles, etc... So many uses for animated photographs that could've benefitted from new features and enhancements... Things no other application can do... CT was truly unique. I will miss it.Why will you miss it? The older versions do not become obsolete just because a new version comes out. I still use CrazyTalk 6 when I want to animate more than one character from a photo. I prefer CrazyTalk 7 overall because of the cool features such as auto motion but there is nothing wrong in using an older version if it offers something a newer version doesn't.
This is confusing! Do you say that every new version of CrazyTalk comes with totally new and different kind of features - so you always need to keep all the older program versions installed in you computer???
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By Alien Maniac - 10 Years Ago
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Peter RL
You won't have to pay the new users price. Current CT7 users can wait until CT8 is released and just upgrade for a discounted price in the normal way.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks Peter, everyone will be glad to hear this news.......scared me for a min.......lol
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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jann (11/10/2015)
Peter (RL) (11/10/2015)
wizaerd (11/7/2015)
I remember doing animated Christmas cards, using a photograph of the grandkids (when CT6 allowed multiple actors)... Using celebrity photographs to deliver short jokes or one liners, animated comic strips, singing photographs, animated company employee profiles, etc... So many uses for animated photographs that could've benefitted from new features and enhancements... Things no other application can do... CT was truly unique. I will miss it.Why will you miss it? The older versions do not become obsolete just because a new version comes out. I still use CrazyTalk 6 when I want to animate more than one character from a photo. I prefer CrazyTalk 7 overall because of the cool features such as auto motion but there is nothing wrong in using an older version if it offers something a newer version doesn't. This is confusing! Do you say that every new version of CrazyTalk comes with totally new and different kind of features - so you always need to keep all the older program versions installed in you computer???
Yup, that's basically it. Version 6 allowed you to do multiple avatars, version 7 does not. And now with all their focus on 3D head creation in version 8, the 2D capabilities will not get anything new added to them. But even version 7 has many things that could've been added to enhance the 2D experience, but RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at which to me is rather short sighted and close minded. So all the new development and features will focus on 3D, and the 2D will eventually just face away. Which as I said is a shame, because there is no other app that does what CT does for 2D...
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/10/2015)
wizaerd (11/7/2015)
I remember doing animated Christmas cards, using a photograph of the grandkids (when CT6 allowed multiple actors)... Using celebrity photographs to deliver short jokes or one liners, animated comic strips, singing photographs, animated company employee profiles, etc... So many uses for animated photographs that could've benefitted from new features and enhancements... Things no other application can do... CT was truly unique. I will miss it.Why will you miss it? The older versions do not become obsolete just because a new version comes out. I still use CrazyTalk 6 when I want to animate more than one character from a photo. I prefer CrazyTalk 7 overall because of the cool features such as auto motion but there is nothing wrong in using an older version if it offers something a newer version doesn't.
Because as operating systems update, and computers update, eventually they will become obsolete. Granted, it'll be some time, but it'll happen. While new features keep getting added for 3D, leaving 2D more and more behind. Which is a real shame, because there's still so many usages for good 2D facial animation...
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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jann (11/10/2015)
This is confusing! Do you say that every new version of CrazyTalk comes with totally new and different kind of features - so you always need to keep all the older program versions installed in you computer???
No I said that IF an older version has a feature that the new version doesn't. Most times this isn't the case but CT6 offered up to 4 animated heads from a single photo whereas CT7 doesn't have this feature. This was due to the changes made to allow linking with the CrazyTalk App for iOS and the Unity Pipeline.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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wizaerd (11/10/2015)
Yup, that's basically it. Version 6 allowed you to do multiple avatars, version 7 does not. And now with all their focus on 3D head creation in version 8, the 2D capabilities will not get anything new added to them. But even version 7 has many things that could've been added to enhance the 2D experience, but RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at which to me is rather short sighted and close minded. So all the new development and features will focus on 3D, and the 2D will eventually just face away. Which as I said is a shame, because there is no other app that does what CT does for 2D...
CrazyTalk 7 was 2D only (2.5D as we liked to call it) and CrazyTalk 8 will support 2D plus the new 3D heads. I really don't understand why you keep writing as though it has been announced that 2D has been removed completely. It hasn't you just get the addition of 3D heads now.
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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I just read Wizaerds post where he said "RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at which to me is rather short sighted and close minded." As an animator and developer who uses CrazyTalk Animator 2 as my primary program, I would hate to think that this is Reallusions position on 2D animation. That they "Don't care". Wizaerd, when and where exactly did Reallusion state that they don't care about 2D? I would like to email them about this. Thanks for the heads up.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/11/2015)
wizaerd (11/10/2015)
Yup, that's basically it. Version 6 allowed you to do multiple avatars, version 7 does not. And now with all their focus on 3D head creation in version 8, the 2D capabilities will not get anything new added to them. But even version 7 has many things that could've been added to enhance the 2D experience, but RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at which to me is rather short sighted and close minded. So all the new development and features will focus on 3D, and the 2D will eventually just face away. Which as I said is a shame, because there is no other app that does what CT does for 2D...CrazyTalk 7 was 2D only (2.5D as we liked to call it) and CrazyTalk 8 will support 2D plus the new 3D heads. I really don't understand why you keep writing as though it has been announced that 2D has been removed completely. It hasn't you just get the addition of 3D heads now.
I did not say it was removed, but it's not getting any new development on it either. You feel as if CT as a 2D application has run it's course, and are focusing on 3D. I didn't assume that, you said so. Historically, features that do not get new features or support eventually go away. It's not as if there isn't a history of RL just removing certain functionality from their apps and upgrades. It's not unreasonable to think this the case for CT and 2D.
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By jann - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/11/2015)
jann (11/10/2015)
This is confusing! Do you say that every new version of CrazyTalk comes with totally new and different kind of features - so you always need to keep all the older program versions installed in you computer???No I said that IF an older version has a feature that the new version doesn't. Most times this isn't the case but CT6 offered up to 4 animated heads from a single photo whereas CT7 doesn't have this feature. This was due to the changes made to allow linking with the CrazyTalk App for iOS and the Unity Pipeline.
So, CrazyTalk 8 has all the functions from CrazyTalk 7 + some new?
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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jann (11/12/2015)
Peter (RL) (11/11/2015)
jann (11/10/2015)
This is confusing! Do you say that every new version of CrazyTalk comes with totally new and different kind of features - so you always need to keep all the older program versions installed in you computer???No I said that IF an older version has a feature that the new version doesn't. Most times this isn't the case but CT6 offered up to 4 animated heads from a single photo whereas CT7 doesn't have this feature. This was due to the changes made to allow linking with the CrazyTalk App for iOS and the Unity Pipeline. So, CrazyTalk 8 has all the functions from CrazyTalk 7 + some new?
I like how the post says "most times"... Version 6 to 7 in CT cut features, CTA 1 to CTA2 cut features, IC5 to IC6 cut features... A pattern emerges...
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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Sorry to be a pain, but when you get the chance Wizaerd, would you mind directing me to to where Reallusion said they "don't care about 2D". Since you bought this to our attention recently it has been bugging me, because I am really annoyed if this is their position as you said it was. You know what, I might email them direct and ask them to explain why they said this. I cannot thank you enough for raising this issue.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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You are taking the statement out of context. It is paraphrasing and reading between the lines. They are not developing new 2D features for CT, because CT's direction is 3D not 2D. CTA might very well be fine.
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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Not to be rude Wizaerd, but I wasn't taking you out of context. I directly quoted you when you said "RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". I'm just asking you to direct me to where Reallusion said "they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". But if you can't find it, don't panic. I have sent an email direct to Reallusion myself asking them to explain. Have a great day.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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garrypye (11/12/2015)
Not to be rude Wizaerd, but I wasn't taking you out of context. I directly quoted you when you said "RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". I'm just asking you to direct me to where Reallusion said "they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". But if you can't find it, don't panic. I have sent an email direct to Reallusion myself asking them to explain. Have a great day.
I know you're just trying to goad me, and I don't know why you're fixated on me. There's a whole forum here of speculation, conjecture and "he said/she said", but you're not quoting them and trying to determine where they're coming up with what they're saying. No, you're only coming around, and commenting on things I've said. It's harassment. Obsess about someone else please. I'll not be responding to anymore of your messages or postings.
Peter (RL) (11/7/2015)
Thanks for the feedback. Of course 3D won't be for everyone although the results are pretty much photo realistic so you may change your mind once you try it. ;)
Unfortunately with 2D we had kind of reached the limits of what could be done with it. Sure we could have gone back and created a hybrid of CT6 and CT7 but fundamentally the face creation process would still be the same along with the same limitations. With CT8 the team have decided to try something different and take the "Talking Head" genre to the next level and for us 3D can do that. However 2D will still be there for those who just want to use CrazyTalk the same way as they did previously.
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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Wizaerd, I apologise if you feel I was trying to goad you. I was really only trying to get you to point out where Reallusion had said "they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". You have not been able to do that as yet, but I am still waiting for my response to my email from Reallusion about this. I'll let you know how I go.
And I apologise that you feel I am somehow fixated on you. It is not anything about you as a person that I am fixated on. Rather, your very public stance in protest of everything Reallusion related. I am certainly fixated on the idea that anyone can so dislike a product and yet make it their lifes mission to condemn it at every opportunity, rather than simply move on to one of the myriad of products you declare to be so much better. I tend to come across a lot of your posts in the forum arena, and many of them seem quite contradictory and misleading, and it's sometimes hard to refrain from commenting since I tend to disagree with your position on almost everything. Rather than seeing it as "harassment" or "goading", I would prefer that you see it as an open discussion. Like a forum if you will.
For the record, I am very excited for the release of CT8.
"I'll not be responding to anymore of your messages or postings." We all live in hope.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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jann (11/12/2015)
So, CrazyTalk 8 has all the functions from CrazyTalk 7 + some new?
Not some new. A lot new. :)
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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garrypye (11/12/2015)
Not to be rude Wizaerd, but I wasn't taking you out of context. I directly quoted you when you said "RL has already said they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". I'm just asking you to direct me to where Reallusion said "they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". But if you can't find it, don't panic. I have sent an email direct to Reallusion myself asking them to explain. Have a great day.
Garry we have not said we don't care about 2D. That is just wizaerd being... well wizaerd.
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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wizaerd (11/12/2015)
I like how the post says "most times"... Version 6 to 7 in CT cut features, CTA 1 to CTA2 cut features, IC5 to IC6 cut features... A pattern emerges...
But what about all the new features that were added? Why are you so fixated on negatives all the time. Can you honestly not find anything positive to say... like ever?
Complaints are always welcome when they are constructive but this constant negativity in post after post is honestly coming over as trolling right now. :crazy:
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By InfoCentral - 10 Years Ago
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I have seen the videos and I am less then impressed. I again only see 1 avatar, so I assume that multiple avatars are going to be omitted with this release also. As far as 3D talking heads go, I don't see the advantage of this, to say, full body 3D programs like Poser and Daz Studio (FREE). If this is the direction of CT then these other full body animation programs w/mocap are much more feature rich in the area of 3D and if I merely want a talking head them I can just camera zoom to the head. They also support multiple actors, props, etc. I didn't purchase CT7 because I saw it as a step down from CT6's multiple actors. I don't see any good reason to purchase CT8 because I see it as a step down form Poser or the free Daz Studio.
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By InfoCentral - 10 Years Ago
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garrypye (11/12/2015)
Wizaerd, I apologise if you feel I was trying to goad you. I was really only trying to get you to point out where Reallusion had said "they don;tcare about 2D, that 3D is where it's all at". You have not been able to do that as yet, but I am still waiting for my response to my email from Reallusion about this. I'll let you know how I go.
Oh please! Don't insult my intelligence by posting such nonsense.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/13/2015)
wizaerd (11/12/2015)
I like how the post says "most times"... Version 6 to 7 in CT cut features, CTA 1 to CTA2 cut features, IC5 to IC6 cut features... A pattern emerges... But what about all the new features that were added? Why are you so fixated on negatives all the time. Can you honestly not find anything positive to say... like ever? Complaints are always welcome when they are constructive but this constant negativity in post after post is honestly coming over as trolling right now. :crazy:
Just because you do not agree with my complaints do not make them any less constructive, and it certainly is not trolling. Of all the applications I use from RL, CrazyTalk is (was) my favorite. But let's take a look at history. Your claim is that all the new features more than offset the things removed.
CTA 1 - Photo fitting. A huge marketing draw, and one of the very things that launched CTA. Easy enough for anyone, absolutely anyone can do. Removed for the pseudo-3D way you chose to do 2D characters. So opposite of standard 2D animation methodologies, it's still gimmicky and twitchy. I'm sure you might feel it's innovative, but I would disagree. And neither do I see the rest of the 2D animation world adopting this methodology either. Constantly having to tweak layers because of 3D positioning. It's 2D... You don't need 10 angles of 3D movement for a 2D animation. Could have come up with any possible way to create the appearance of 3D, but instead you remove the easy way to create custom characters and replace it with a method that only a few have the patience to do. Not to mention the hassle with colors that people still complain about. Sorry you don't agree, but this complaint is not any less valid nor is it trolling.
CrazyTalk: Remove multiple avatars. Still don't know why, none of the new features preclude multiple avatars, so I still don't understand why it was removed. You can make any claim you want, but none of the new features warranted that removal. And now it's focused on 3D. If I want to animate just a 3D head, or 3D head and shoulders, I'd use iClone, cuz it's a 3D app. Sure the 2D capability is still there, but for how long? What new features does the 2D capabilities have? You've already told me that it's been played out as far as 2D is concerned, and 3D is the main focus. Don't know why you don;t concentrate the 3D in the 3D app (iClone) and leave 2D in the 2D app... But hey, I guess I'm trolling because as a 2D CrazyTalk user, I'm should just be happy and roll over with how ecstatically happy I am with the new direction.
iClone: removal of photo face fitting for G6 characters. And for what purpose? Strictly a money making opportunity, by short changing CT, make it a 3D head creator and to heck with any CT users who lovd the 2D aspect. Oh sure, it's still there, but no new development for 2D.
So you don't agree with me, so instead of being an upset customer, I'm just trolling. What about the others who are also upset? I assume they're just trolling too...
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By CaseClosed - 10 Years Ago
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Peter, in CT8 can you scale the 3D head down on the X (or is it Y) so that the head becomes flat (.0001%) but still rotates in 3D? This might be a really cool, easy way to make the 3D aspect work wonders for the 2D world. :D
That way, you can have your 2.5 D character utilizing all the advantages of the 3D world. That would be a powerful addition/alternative in CT.
Okay, maybe you will still have the same issues as you do with turning a 2D head, but maybe there is a way to creatively combine the advantages of a 3D head so that it seems to work seamlessly in a 2D world. I see huge potential advantages to having access to a 3D world with the current CT output, not disadvantages.
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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Wizaerd, aside from you breaking your word that "I'll not be responding to anymore of your messages or postings" I am sorry you feel I am insulting your intelligence. But even you have to admit, the fact that you have taken it upon yourself to lead a one man crusade against a product you have nothing but contempt for, may not give me the right to insult your intelligence, but I do have the right to question it.
What you are doing is the equivalent of standing outside the Coca-Cola factory until Christmas, wearing a Pepsi T-shirt and screaming "I hate Coke!". We get it. You don't like the product. You have been very very clear.
"Just because you do not agree with my complaints do not make them any less constructive" Please, please tell me how your following comments are constructive-
1. 'to someone who does know how to animate, CTA is a toy."
2. "there's more to animation than just character animations, and CTA is severely limited in that regard."
3. "iClone is not really known as a 3D application. Practically any 3D app does 3D better"
Where is the part where you were being constructive? How are these comments helpful to anyone at Reallusion? At best they are indulgent rantings. At worst, they are slander.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You've had yours. Now unless you have something actually constructive to say, it's time to leave. Because you are denegrating programs which I happen to like and enjoy. And I can assure you that while ever you choose to stay around with the sole purpose of bad mouthing Reallusion, I have the right of reply. And I am your number one forum follower.
And even though I know Reallusion reads these posts, by all means, write to them and complain about me if you need to. Tell them I'm goading you. Tell them I'm harrassing you. But as long as you continue to disparage the work of the people you are asking for protection, I have the feeling that they be more inclined to advise you that you bought this on yourself.
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By AverageJoe - 10 Years Ago
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garrypye (11/13/2015)
Wizaerd, aside from you breaking your word that "I'll not be responding to anymore of your messages or postings" I am sorry you feel I am insulting your intelligence. But even you have to admit, the fact that you have taken it upon yourself to lead a one man crusade against a product you have nothing but contempt for, may not give me the right to insult your intelligence, but I do have the right to question it.
Unfortunately, I do have to respond to this one to let you know you're little quick off the cuff smart guy, cuz that wasn't me responding about insulting my intelligence. Read a bit more carefully. Not to mention the fact that my response was to Peter, not to you. As for the rest, I'll stick around as along as I'm able, and I will continue to make my complaints because thery're everybit as valid. So you can just go jump in a lake for all I care.
Now I'm done with you.
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By garrypye - 10 Years Ago
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Wizaerd, you are of course 100% correct. I did jump off the mark too fast and incorrectly credited you with the comment "Oh please! Don't insult my intelligence by posting such nonsense" And for that I do genuinely apologise.I will read more carefully in the future. I got a little worked up.
I am glad we are done and can now go our seperate ways and just enjoy Reallusions products.
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By jann - 10 Years Ago
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Peter (RL) (11/13/2015)
jann (11/12/2015)
So, CrazyTalk 8 has all the functions from CrazyTalk 7 + some new?Not some new. A lot new. :)
Hi Peter,
Thanks for clarification - looking forward to see lot of new features ;)
But you didn't answer the basic question: Can CrazyTalk 8 also do all the things that CrazyTalk 7 could? Or are some features removed?
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By animagic - 10 Years Ago
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Maybe we can now go back to a more content-based discussion. For me, it would indeed be good to know what other features are in CT8 that are also of interest to iClone users. Better facial expressions for example, that are some what limited in iClone.
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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I totally agree. Although I am very interested to see what's new in version 8, I also regret having started this discussion string because it got so-far off track. I'm looking forward to part 2 of the intro video!
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By InfoCentral - 10 Years Ago
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Yeah, I would like some answers to questions I have already brought up. Mainly, what additional 2D features are going to be added. If 3D is the new direction for CT then what advantages does it have over Poser which too has facial fitting and is much much much more feature rich. I have never used the free Daz Studio so I don't know if it has facial fitting for custom avatars. As Wizaerd has pointed out this does appear to be a ported iClone plug-in.
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By NoKat - 10 Years Ago
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I just purchased Crazytalk 7 Pro because I have wanted it anyway and I get the new version free. I was hoping to see the next preview video before I bought.
I really don't get the Reallusion marketing. I have Poser and Daz Studio already, and one is a paid for software, and the other has free software and lots of paid for content. Reallusion seems to be trying to grab both and lock down any content makers into a Pipeline version. What the hell are you guys thinking? I have CTA pro, and I can't import your iMotions or make content? People are asking for content, motions, characters, and you make it next to impossible to do. Even having the tools to make content, people buy stuff from the experts, so you have a market, why the hell aren't you using it?
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By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
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jann (11/13/2015)
But you didn't answer the basic question: Can CrazyTalk 8 also do all the things that CrazyTalk 7 could? Or are some features removed?
Yes CrazyTalk 8 will be able to do the same as CrazyTalk 7 plus a lot more. As well as being able to create new 3D heads you will be able to add accessories into your scene plus effects and so on. In addition iClone users will be able to take the 3D heads created in CT8 Pipeline and add them to their characters in iClone. :)
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By animagic - 10 Years Ago
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@InfoCentral: One important difference between CrazyTalk and Poser is of course that CrazyTalk is for talking heads only; either 2D or 3D. It is a different application, so it depends on what you want to do.
What I like about CT compared to full-blown body animation is the simplicity as you only have to worry about the head. It would be interesting though if it had head size or shape animation in 3D that could be transferred to iClone. That would be a very expressive tool.
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By Anonymous2020 - 10 Years Ago
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Looks like we will have version 8 in our hands soon. I'd say that the upgrade price is in line with what I expected. I'm looking forward to creating some creepy talking statues with the 3D abilities of 8!
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