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By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

I don't understand how they sale the defect Software

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

lol...the only thing you just proved is you like to complain a lot , and how fast iclone loads motions ....nice work!

By RB3006 - 11 Years Ago

:Wow: ... and whats the problem???

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

Problem is Motion

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

problem is regular users don't load 400 motions back to back - your play button stopped playing heh.

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

iClone 6 works for me...

If you have a specific question, we can help you. A comment like "it is unfinished software" is of no use.

By james_muia - 11 Years Ago

I was expecting the program to crash or something, but I was let down. :)

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

you have to look video very good what is the problem my friend!!! than say program is working,
but i think evry Thing for you is ok

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

if you want help , ask for a solution.... solution, don't load 400 motions one after the other. Try that in maya and see how it works out for you there.

if you want to complain...watch youtube.

By bluemidget666 - 11 Years Ago

And I thought a picture says more than words ....

Wrong again...

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

Is there a group of you out there who like just stirring up problems on this forum?
I notice that all of you seem to have the same thing in common. Only a few posts which shows you haven't been here long enough to learn the program.
You all seem to be so very knowledgeable about the software that you can find things you think are wrong and then say the software is no good.
You can always get your money back and save your time if you are that dissatisfied with the product. Unless you are just trolling and trying to disrupt the forum.
Have a nice day.
Ken:)
I hope this translates okay for your computer.:)

By doubledutch - 11 Years Ago

You can always get your money back...

How does that works?

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

Contact Reallusion and they will let you cancel the program and take it off your computer. You sign a statement that you have removed it.
Go to your accounts page and submit a ticket asking them and they will give you instructions.
You have a 30 day time limit, I do believe.
Have a nice day.:)

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

same typo accent too.

By namunger - 11 Years Ago

In his defense, there does seem to be a bug in which the timeline stops auto-advancing after loading several animations. I haven't sat down with it to figure out if it is the same number every time, or not.

As for the "unfinished software" comment, I'd say most software is "unfinished", or else they wouldn't keep making new versions!

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

reporting a bug, asking for support is not synonymous with trying to start a negative drama with a title like " iclone 6 is unfinished software"

Iclone is, was and will continue to be a work in progress, 3D itself is a work in progress, Just ask Nvidia and all their driver updates, some of which cripple our computers, like microsoft.

he could be as right as he wants to be, I'll show him wrong.

By doubledutch - 11 Years Ago

KenCoon (1/27/2015)

Ok thanks.
But there is not a link with instructions.
I have never seen that possibility.
You do believe, but i like to know for sure :)

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

It just gets frustrating when every other day there is a post either here or in the General section that begins with saying the software is trash or no good.
The poster follows the same pattern and then instead of giving a problem that could be solved, they proceed to talk trash about how bad Reallusion and the staff are.
I happen to think that after using the products for a little over 6 months, they are a very good and thoughtful group. I enjoy learning new things from them and they always answer my problems, though they haven't told me how to get younger yet.
This morning was a typical one and he will probably be back again in a few days with a similar line to stir things up.
The real posters ask for assistance on their problems and usually get them rather quickly.
Thanks for bearing with me while I vent.
Ken:)

By doubledutch - 11 Years Ago

I`m not saying ic6 is trash.
I`m disappointed for other reason.

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

I am about 3 years waiting for a movie to make, I always thought likely to come next year a best iclone, but become worse and worse, this is simply injustice, I have all my project for 3 years

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

the company is supportive and friendly, albeit extremely busy. *the supporters reporting bugs keep them busy lol. I'm sure if you emailed support they will let you now if you qualify for a refund and help you from there.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

xalidfetah (1/27/2015)

I am about 3 years waiting for a movie to make, I always thought likely to come next year a best iclone, but become worse and worse, this is simply injustice, I have all my project for 3 years

has it occurred to you that maybe you need more practice ? I've never seen an experienced animator load 400 motions back to back like you did. that might be a bad habit. There must be a great reason why you don't use blender, which has all the features you want and its free, to make your movie.

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

My Friend planetstardragon

it is not only Motion is a Problem, it is 400 Problem in iClone 6

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

how can you call yourself my friend when you are trying to hinder progress on a forum I support ?

why don't you use blender ?

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

At the top of this screen therre is a tab that says Reallusion Home. Press that one and then pick My accounts. That will get you to the screen that says Support .
From there you can submit a request for a refund and I am quite sure they will help you get one.
The address for Blender is Blender.com
Have a nice day and enjoy Blender.
Ken:)

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

I like to use iclone becouse it is easy to use but if evrything is working perfect

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

well, My dear friend, I call you friend because I wouldn't waste my time talking to you otherwise.

As easy as iclone looks, it's a grand masters job to take the confusion out of what other softwares created in hyper expensive, or insanely complicated software.

It's a given that we will face bumpy roads when mixing super easy concepts with cutting edge, resource hogging, high tech sources.

We try to work positively like a community to report bugs and make intelligent / informed suggestions of what can make the software better because the company is small and willing to listen. This is a gift to be appreciated, most companies do NOT do that as intimately as Reallusion does.

The title of your post is a very wrong approach because many of us face and work around bugs on a daily basis, think we don't know there are bumps on the road ? we need your help, not your complaining.

so work with us, not against us. We've ALL faced the challenges, and you only insult us by creating posts like this when we are trying to work at making this better.

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

If you like to use it then stop calling it unfinished and trash.
Ask a civil question and you will receive an answer. Criticize and you will be sent away.
Now you have another chance for us to be nice.
If you are taking 3 years for a perfect product, it will not come. Software companies including the free Blender, which is very good but difficult to learn, come out with updates to fix things that are not working correctly.
This is a new program with some things in it which were not there before. It takes time for them to be fixed and or the many problems that were missed in beta testing to be fixed.
These people are human so they do make a few mistakes along the way. though not as many as I do.
Check the forums and don't try to make the program do more than it is capable of. There are some programs that cost much more that will make you a movie like the ones on television but this one will not do those things. Use it to do what it is capable of and learn how to use it.
I do believe the program will do much more than you give it credit for.
Ken:)

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

I can't even finish my post...:crazy:

I have loaded subsequent motions and for me the timeline advances.

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

iclone 6 is trash and unfinished and untested if stay like that, my friend i do not say about iclone anything bad, i only show you what the problem is, to make better

By Darren01 - 11 Years Ago

xalidfetah (1/27/2015)

I am about 3 years waiting for a movie to make, I always thought likely to come next year a best iclone, but become worse and worse, this is simply injustice, I have all my project for 3 years

there's countless people here who have completed several good quality movies using iClone (various versions!). iClone might have it's flaws, but you should go back and have a look at the now very limited ability of the early versions and yet people still managed to produce good quality movies with those versions.

90% of good animated movie making comes down to the animator. The software can't do it for you. It is just a tool that the animator uses. Seems to me most critics of the software expect it to magically translate ideas from their heads into an animation sequence with very little actual knowledge or time spent creating the animation. If your movie is just going to be a string of standard motions joined together, then it's never going to be much good anyway. If you want the movie to look good, you're going to have to get your hands dirty and do a lot of key-framing/motion editing as well.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

xalidfetah (1/27/2015)

iclone 6 is trash and unfinished and untested if stay like that, my friend i do not say about iclone anything bad, i only show you what the problem is, to make better

one minute it's easy, next minute it's trash ...you just want trouble.

Ok!! :w00t:

blender is free, it will give you something new to complain about. 3 years is a long time to complain about 1 thing!

By 4413Media - 11 Years Ago

I can relate to the whole waiting bit- I have a major project in the years of pre-production hell. I was waiting for something to actually film it; is iClone 6 good enough, I think so.

But not every program will suit your full needs and you do have to cut corners. You're loading up motions by the boatload, why not split the shots into short segments? Do short clips. Unless you're going for long takes, but to be honest- they are incredibly difficult to do and I have yet to see one long take in iClone that has impressed me.

I split shots into each special clip and name it specifically for organization. If there is something in iClone that doesn't work, hide it.

But if you're not willing to cut corners and make changes- for any software or live action, then I'm afraid your project will not get off the ground.

By Rampa - 11 Years Ago

I can confirm that this is a bug.

At first I thought "Auto Play Motion On Apply" in the preferences had somehow gotten unchecked. But I had this same thing happen on the third applied motion with the box checked. The motion updates, but the timeline does not play forward.

The setting in the preferences is pretty cool to have. I remember people asking for the timeline not auto-play previously.

Hopefully everyone involved here has learned a lesson. :)

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

i don't care if he has a point, he's wrong and i'll keep him there till he learns to play nice with us!

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

iclone 6 is trash and unfinished and untested if stay like that, my friend i do not say about iclone anything bad, i only show you what the problem is, to make better

At this point I think he is just trying to make a problem and keep everyone posting. He is enjoying his game with us and doesn't want any answers. the last two pages begin with the same post at different times.
Time to let his go.
Ken:)

By warlord720 - 11 Years Ago

All these years I've been mistaken in thinking it was a lack of skills when I couldn't do something. I must say... it is much easier to just blame the software.

Not sure how long one could stay employed with this attitude but it sure takes a big bite out of learning something. A lot less stress too.

Wow... I just realized this carries on to other applications..

It's zBrush's fault I can't model exactly what I see in my mind sometimes or get that perfect character.

It's 3D Max's fault I can't get that lighting right.

It's After Effects's fault I can't... well... hell... pretty much everything is After Effects fault based on this line of thinking.

Anyone starting a Blame RL support group? My coffee is cold... bet that is their effin fault too!;)

By bluemidget666 - 11 Years Ago

I hear you about Zbrush, always knew it was dodgy, but it's ok its due a upgrade soon so I can go shout about how crap it is :P

By warlord720 - 11 Years Ago

So glad to hear that bluemidget. I was actually starting to doubt my skills... whew! That was a close one!:w00t:

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

Shucks! And thought it was my fault I couldn't make anything in Blender. Now I find out that it Blender's fault. And all this time I thought is was me. LOL
Ken:)

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

I remember reading that one before: blaming the software that one is not able to create one's masterpiece...:P

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

see xalidfetah, you have a whole community here waiting to help you.....no need to call our tools of choice trash!! What we need is to get along ....sort of! :pinch:

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

You mean we don't always get along???

By Rampa - 11 Years Ago

It does not seem to be a consistent bug. After re-starting iClone, and applying plenty of motions, the timeline is playing forward properly. I can uncheck the box in Preferences if I do not want it to. This can box can be unchecked and rechecked any time during a project.

So, a low priority bug, in my opinion.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

there are still quite a few to be sorted out, I'm waiting for the next patches to see which haven't been covered yet.

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

i do not Need your help thanks i can do evrything by my self, even any problems I can find solution, but i only Need perfect iClone and working, you have to know what i Need.

if you do not know what is the Problem in iClone 6 then is ok:P

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

how about a hug ? need a hug ? you seem really unhappy with stuff! life will be challenging at times... everything ok ? ♥

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

The OP does nor explain much. But looking at his video I understand the Motions do not get automatically added to the timeline beyond a point.

This could be a bug. Could it be something to do with the Preference setting as Rampa says ?

As I understand, he is trying to say ICLONE has 400 problems. He is NOT adding 400 motions.

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

planetstardragon (1/28/2015)

how about a hug ? need a hug ? you seem really unhappy with stuff! life will be challenging at times... everything ok ? ♥

There was an Indian movie ( MunnaBhai MBBS ) few years back in which Munna, a Local Don gets into a medical College through unfair means. He wanted to impress his father who had a big dream for his son being a doctor.

Since Munna couldn't understand a thing in the class, he started giving "JADDU KI CHHAPI" ( MAGIC HUG ) to every patient. He found a universal solution - HUG.

Very interesting film.

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

prabhatM (1/28/2015)

The OP does nor explain much. But looking at his video I understand the Motions do not get automatically added to the timeline beyond a point.

The timeline has to be long enough... Anyway, do I know understand correctly that he does not need our help?

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

animagic (1/28/2015)

prabhatM (1/28/2015)

The OP does nor explain much. But looking at his video I understand the Motions do not get automatically added to the timeline beyond a point.

The timeline has to be long enough... Anyway, do I know understand correctly that he does not need our help?

Yess ! The timeline has to be long enough... that could be the probable issue !!! I feel so stupid not thinking of it !!

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

timeline is enough Long, you do not see? or you do not want to see? or are you blind?:hehe:

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

animagic (1/28/2015)

[quote][b]

Anyway, do I know understand correctly that he does not need our help?

Don't worry about these things.

Sometimes people do not take a mature approach to problem-solving. It flows from their general approach to life. It reflects everywhere in their life and we can not really change that in a few reactionary posts.

Infact, you get noticed and appreciated because of such people. You get DIFFERENTIATED !!! The clients would prefer you because of your mature approach to problem-solving.

By Rampa - 11 Years Ago

prabhatM (1/28/2015)

It's not that they were not being added, it was that the timeline was not playing forward.

That's why I double checked it. The original gif showed the timeline indicator not moving, even though new motions were clearly added. It was sitting still towards the start of the timeline. I was able to re-create this bug twice, but have not managed again.

I also checked in the actual timeline that the motion was being added properly, and it was. So it was just randomly deciding to not play the timeline out to the end of the motion at times.

Quick fix is to save the file and restart, and open it again to continue working.

So no, he probably does need any help.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

xalidfetah (1/28/2015)

timeline is enough Long, you do not see? or you do not want to see? or are you blind?:hehe:

I made this video while you were complaining, I hope it cheers you up! ♥ :kiss:

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

rampa (1/28/2015)

[quote][b]

So no, he probably does need any help.

Probably. RL may take note of the issue.

By hattori kun - 11 Years Ago

planetstardragon (1/28/2015)

xalidfetah (1/28/2015)

timeline is enough Long, you do not see? or you do not want to see? or are you blind?:hehe:

I made this video while you were complaining, I hope it cheers you up! ♥ :kiss:

I have to admit I was mezmerized by that video. :D
I couldn't stop staring at it. :D

By hattori kun - 11 Years Ago

Btw I'm not getting the stuck timeline bug as shown. I tried to replicate multiple times.
Maybe they fixed it in 6.02 that I use.

By Rampa - 11 Years Ago

hattori kun (1/28/2015)

planetstardragon (1/28/2015)

xalidfetah (1/28/2015)

timeline is enough Long, you do not see? or you do not want to see? or are you blind?:hehe:

I made this video while you were complaining, I hope it cheers you up! ♥ :kiss:

I have to admit I was mezmerized by that video. :D
I couldn't stop staring at it. :D

I believe it's mocap of this guy! :)

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

actually it's one of reallusions moves from their dance motions! :w00t:

they really did a great job with em! :D

By colour - 11 Years Ago

This constant p*ss-taking from some Forum Members, is unacceptable & in Breach of the Forum's TOS..

iC6 "is" an "Unfinished Product". I'm glad I haven't got it. :ermm:

By justaviking - 11 Years Ago

@rampa - Thanks for the serious investigation.

@colour - True about English as a second language. But it is also common for someone to apologize if they discover they have phrased something poorly (accidental rudeness). Then the apology is graciously accepted, and everyone is friends.

@xalidfetah - We have all reported bugs, issues, and enhancement requests. But there is no need to be insulting and calling it "trash." It's not perfect, but it's not garbage either. iC6 in particular is going through the typical shakedown period following a major release.

Identifying and reporting problems is an important contribution to the community.

@xalidfetah - SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT - Could you please NOT use multiple 7MB animated GIF files? They just play and play and play. I don't know a way to pause it if I want to study a portion of it. Please use actual "video" that we can start/stop/pause (YouTube or Vimeo, for example).

@everyone... - We haven't had a total meltdown in this thread yet. We're doing okay.

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

To : planetstardragon

WOW nice Video, maybe you can also do something like this Animation

http://vimeo.com/81422837

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

if you want to make a video like that you need software like this -

http://www.massivesoftware.com/ and motion tracking. You would then use iclone as compositing software

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

@colour - don't make this into a personal fight - he knew what he was doing and we are still being friendly. In your world / approach everyone should ignore each other and just be miserable.....Don't go there again. Hypocrisy and apathy is not a good solution.

By xalidfetah - 11 Years Ago

aha now i understand, iClone is only for dancing or?

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

is that sarcasm ? I gave you a nice friendly answer ...are you inviting another battle ? :w00t:

even maya needs that software to do such a scene, is maya just for dancing ?! :D

By justaviking - 11 Years Ago

xalidfetah (1/28/2015)

aha now i understand, iClone is only for dancing or?

LOL.

No. If that were the case, they'd have named it "iDance." :P

I'm sure they test-marketed other names, like iTry, iStruggle, iFail, and iGiveUp. Other people simply opt for iWhine, iRant, iFlame, and iComplain.

Personally, iManage, and iMakeVideos, iTellStories, iPlay and iHaveFun.

I'm not much into the dance videos, generally speaking, though some are well done. Does anyone else remember the winning "dance" video quite a while ago where the kids were dancing in the old man's garage? That was fantastic!

By wendyluvscatz - 11 Years Ago

colour (1/28/2015)

There are manyiClone Users for whom English isn't their first Language. If they aren't French or German, then they have to use the English Forum & have difficulty in Posting exactly what the problem is, in English....

This constant p*ss-taking from some Forum Members, is unacceptable & in Breach of the Forum's TOS..

iC6 "is" an "Unfinished Product". I'm glad I haven't got it.:ermm:

not speaking English natively is no excuse for posting an identical post verbatum inc emoticons in 8 or more different new threads some under a different username then IM 'ing a person for pointing out that is annoying and not going to get an answer any quicker.
The posts were removed and you possibly did not see the page full on new posts for today search I did.
The user then went on to post more threads praising you of course and not by name but intent downing me for daring to suggest spamming a forum with multiple identical threads not a good practice.
Not many forums do find that acceptable from what I have seen and even asking a question differently in more than one post has gotten far worse than what I replied with and left up unedited as I did not say anything untoward.
Being the newbie welcoming hero is one thing
(and I can certainly say from my own newbie experience this forum can be very intimidating, whats more I recall you Colour were one of those who I found intimidating!!)
but newbie or not defending someone for having a hissy fit at someone repling to them about an annoying forum etiquete fail is not the same as just helping them as I often do too.

By wendyluvscatz - 11 Years Ago

I do not recall if Xalidfetah was one of the aliases used by (edited in case not) but it does look familiar

problems and attitude not new it seems either

By Peter (RL) - 11 Years Ago

xalidfetah (1/27/2015)

My Friend planetstardragon

it is not only Motion is a Problem, it is 400 Problem in iClone 6

Xalidfetah if you have so many problems, please contact us at Support and give full details of the issues you are experiencing. It is no good making bold statements like "unfinished software" and "400 problems" but then not explaining what the problems are.

Please contact Support using the link below. Do provide full details of the problems and include your dxdiag.txt file as this is very important. We will then happily try to help you.

http://www.reallusion.com/CustomerSupport/User/QForm.aspx

By Peter (RL) - 11 Years Ago

rampa (1/27/2015)

Hi Rampa,

Thanks for confirming an issue with auto playing motions. This will be passed to the development team.

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

planetstardragon (1/28/2015)

he knew what he was doing...

Agreed. Still need to side-step.

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

justaviking (1/28/2015)

No. If that were the case, they'd have named it "iDance." :P

I'm sure they test-marketed other names, like iTry, iStruggle, iFail, and iGiveUp. Other people simply opt for iWhine, iRant, iFlame, and iComplain.

Personally, iManage, and iMakeVideos, iTellStories, iPlay and iHaveFun.

Love that.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

prabhatM (1/28/2015)

planetstardragon (1/28/2015)

he knew what he was doing...

Agreed. Still need to side-step.

part of what makes life beautiful is diversity, you feel free to side step, i'll feel free to care about the community and do what comes naturally to me - I'm a dj , I make people dance together who normally wouldn't do so outside of the party. :cool:

By colour - 11 Years Ago

whats more I recall you Colour were one of those who I found intimidating!!)

That's nonsense, Wendy. :angry: You're mistaken.

I've been around since iC1.5 & have never intimidated anyone. I defend Forum Users. Not Intimidate them.

This Forum's been a Bear Pit even before I joined it from the now defunct CoolClones Forum.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

colour (1/28/2015)

[quote]whats more I recall you Colour were one of those who I found intimidating!!)
[/quoite]

That's nonsense, Wendy. :angry: You're mistaken.

Colour, it's not proper to call someone's feelings nonsense, what you just did is called invalidation. Not nice, if she felt intimidated ...it would be proper to show her you are not intimidating, but you did the exact opposite.

By Peter (RL) - 11 Years Ago

colour (1/28/2015)

This Forum's been a Bear Pit even before I joined it from the now defunct CoolClones Forum.

I have to disagree with you there Colour. Certainly since the release of iClone 6 the forum has seen its fair share of arguments and bad feeling, but to say it has always been a bear pit is wrong. I think you are letting the last month cloud your judgement to be honest.

By bluemidget666 - 11 Years Ago

The last month has been heavy on the fallouts but if you take out of the equation those posters who post the same issue over and over again in different threads and who are not looking for a solution, things aren't so bad given that iclone6 was always going to be controversial, with its new design and directX 11 support.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

it's really not bad at all, even the nay sayers have been fun to talk to lately.

We are doing great, trust me , I've seen worse! (I have been far worse too haha! ) lol

in an unmoderated forum, I once took on a person who was not only looking for a fight, he was blatantly looking to destroy the forum.....all he did was literally post hundreds of posts so no one else could use the forum. I won that debate too and even became friends....it was so crazy, that I even tried to reason with the administrator of the forum to not ban him, actually, I got into a mega fight with the administrator, but unfortunately he was the 1 ban in the history of that forum. The guy actually started becoming nice friends but unfortunately he did too much damage for the administrator to forgive him by that time :crying:

By nat woi - 11 Years Ago

really be nice to know what improvements they plan on making a to do list Id would start with the interface being set up like Iclone 5

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

Come to think of it, the so called rants lasted barely for 10-12 days. Primarily because many couldn't load ICLONE. Running a programme slow is one thing and not able to load one's long-waited favourite programme is another. Sometimes it can cause the real heart burn.

One fine evening ( after the release of the patch) I looked at the SILENT FORUM and I really laughed. So much for so called heart-burns !!! All vanished with a simple patch !

If guys wouldn't crib about ICLONE 6 now, when would they crib ? At the time of 6.5 ? With 6.0, ICLONE has entered a completely new orbit. Consider it as the version 1.0 for NEW ICLONE.

The whole thing was within the expected line. It was a Major release. The expectations were high. Few things slipped. It happens.

Good thing is that the community is expanding and ICLONE is getting ambitious.

By urbanlamb - 11 Years Ago

I am beginning to think I am the only one here who is pleased with iclone6 (including the new interface which I love). I can confirm this bug about the motions it does stop advancing, but I have to say I am very pleased with the improvements to the product. I also have a friend who has switched to iclone after me gushing over it the last while. Its always been a neat product, but the pushing it into the you know this century having it make use of the graphics cards advances leaves me hoping they do more work on their internal render engine.

Still these forums kinda scare me I see everyone fighting but I am trying to delurk considering when i first registered on the forums and my first iclone purchase many moons ago now. I am now solely using iclone its my "everything" software (well except for you know the modelling and making animations part i need other software for that). I have been waiting for a real time engine that was able to do most of what I wanted it to do (including visual quality).

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

nat woi (1/28/2015)

really be nice to know what improvements they plan on making a to do list Id would start with the interface being set up like Iclone 5

it's always hard to say, i understand what I know from having watched them add stuff to the software after we request it ....but I also understand they keep certain things hush as a protection from other companies that may be looking to steal the ideas. You can't blame them either, the corporate world is wilder than any debate we can have in our forums.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

@urbanlamb - fear not, swoop and i can confuse the daylights out of anyone that gives you grief!

By prabhatM - 11 Years Ago

planetstardragon (1/28/2015)

@urbanlamb - fear not, swoop and i can confuse the daylights out of anyone that gives you grief!

And we love when you two are busy sorting out the CONFUSION yourselves.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

rofl!! - if we couldn't confuse each other, how could we confuse anyone else ?

that's part of our routine, we'll just place our battle right over theirs ;)

swoop is the pro, i'm the noob...i pity the foo that tries to stand between us! :w00t:

swoops argument, he wants me to have the best tools and techniques to make my ideas look great

my argument - I want swoop to have fun, be expressive and not be confined to rules.
our battles always have a happy ending. No one else stands a chance.

PS - I was ecstatic to see swoop defend big noses, I'm learning to make better rigs and meshes because of swoop, and he's learning to defend the things "HE" likes "BEYOND THE INDUSTRY STANDARD"....it was a beautiful moment for me.

Big noses can in fact be beautiful! if only they had more confidence about it! ^.^

By justaviking - 11 Years Ago

(name redacted from the following quote)

Peter (RL) (1/28/2015)

(1/28/2015)

This Forum's been a Bear Pit even before I joined it from the now defunct CoolClones Forum.

I have to disagree with you there. Certainly since the release of iClone 6 the forum has seen its fair share of arguments and bad feeling, but to say it has always been a bear pit is wrong. I think you are letting the last month cloud your judgement to be honest.

At the risk of looking like I'm sucking up to the moderator... I AGREE with Peter (RL).

For the two years I've been actively involved, this forum has been one of the most cooperative and helpful forums I've seen. The veterans are very helpful to the newbies, patiently guiding them without being condescending about them being beginners.

The past 6 weeks have been abnormal, with a huge spike in flames and rants. But it's settling down.

When someone is chastised for being rude, it doesn't mean they don't have a right to express displeasure with iClone/Reallusion. It simply means we prefer it be done in a civilized manner.

There will always be temporary bursts of emotion, but usually people here get along very well. It is even possible to passionately disagree with someone while still being civilized. And speaking for myself, that's what I look for; manners and civility. Even hobbyists can behave professionally. You can express displeasure and disappointment, and report bugs without resorting to insults and accusations as was becoming far too common around late December and early January.

By DELETED2 - 11 Years Ago

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jmuia (1/27/2015)

I was expecting the program to crash or something, but I was let down. :)

What, it didn't crash!!! :)

Disgusting. I'd write to Reallusion.
Who the hell do they think they are.

They sell me software that doesn't crash. I'm not used to that. I'll undergo a complete personality reversal.

Now I have to make an animation and that's time, more time and effort, I mean..... Who do they think I am?

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

urbanlamb (1/28/2015)

I am beginning to think I am the only one here who is pleased with iclone6 (including the new interface which I love).

I enjoy iClone 6 as well, so that makes at least two of us. In fact, I wished I didn't have to go to work and could spent more time using it...:crying:

A bit of history: the transition from iClone 4 to iClone 5 in as far as project compatibility goes was in fact far more problematic and took quite a while to be sorted out.

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

nat woi (1/28/2015)

Id would start with the interface being set up like Iclone 5

Why?...:unsure:

By justaviking - 11 Years Ago

animagic (1/29/2015)

urbanlamb (1/28/2015)

I am beginning to think I am the only one here who is pleased with iclone6 (including the new interface which I love).

I enjoy iClone 6 as well, so that makes at least two of us. In fact, I wished I didn't have to go to work and could spent more time using it...:crying:

Three. ;)

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

animagic (1/29/2015)

nat woi (1/28/2015)

Id would start with the interface being set up like Iclone 5

Why?...:unsure:

Iclone 5 was faster to navigate - this emphasized by not being able to easily access the iclone 5 library. I was able to offset this by mimicking the iclone 5 layout with "All Panels" - the old content issue still throws me off though....so I get what he means

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

I think my iClone6 is broken.
I am wondering if I should send in a notice to Reallusion or what.
My copy has not crashed yet. It seems to be running smoothly and everything I try works fine as soon as I figure out how to use it.
Is something wrong?
I also have iClone5 on this computer and I did open it once yesterday by mistake but I haven't used it since I downloaded iClone6.
Guess you can add me to the list of those who like iClone6.
As for the forums (to change the topic a bit), I did notice a rise in negativity on the forum recently. I am just praying that it will go away soon. I liked it the way it was back in October or around there. Nice and helpful and friendly.
Ken:):)

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

It took me a bit to figure it out, but I'm now used to the navigation and can go down and up my content folders easily. Just follow the bread crumbs.............

@Ken: I agree...:)

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

ahh nice, I haven't noticed that, but I also haven't copied my iclone 5 content over ...and that folder tree doesn't show with the shortcut workaround. I'm not ready to leave the iclone 5 / 3DX 5 pipeline, nor do I want to duplicate my library - so much stuff....including my customized stuff.

This is one of those things where I'm practicing what I'm preaching and being patient, but I've always had issues with the way the library is handled. But RL knows this already lol -halo over head-

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

I read somewhere how to make those custom folders but cannot remember where it was.
I also wanted to make a folder for the Book of Ruth stuff but it seems one of my Avatars is the same as another only the color of the clothing is different and when I try to save them one of them is always replaced with the other even though I try to name them different.
Ken:)

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

thats something that changed from ic5 too - there use to be 3 buttons - overwrite, add and apply - in ic6 if you click on the character you only have add , and apply/replace.

You have to say no to replacing your character to be given the option to save as a new file. I found that confusing. I'm over it now though lol

but it was an unlearning of habits for sure.

By KenCoon - 11 Years Ago

I will have to try that when I get my computer back.
Scrivener has it right now trying to upgrade it. I am locked out of a lot of stuff.
I don't remember being given the option to save or replace. I remember pressing the + button at the bottom and it just replaced it. There were three of them. Two are okay and the third one was the one giving me the problem even though they have different names.
Ken:)
EDIT:
Cancelled the update and took control.
Figured out how to do the box. For some reason in the custom section of my Avatars there were the three Avatars that I wanted. The third one decided to join when I was not looking.
I transferred them to a sub-folder names Avatars ( Unique huh?) and then made one for the scene. Problems came in here as I was using the Blue Skies collection and for some reason they didn't want to copy so I just took the scene from The World folder and used that part. Skies change all the time anyway.
I will be rebuilding the complete thing when I get back to that part anyway so it won't matter that much.
Now I can get back to finishing the Screenplay so I can get that finished.
Ken:)

By DELETED2 - 11 Years Ago

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animagic (1/29/2015)

...//...the transition from iClone 4 to iClone 5 in as far as project compatibility goes was in fact far more problematic and took quite a while to be sorted out.

I seem to remember iClone 5 being a mere year late(er) than planned.
But the result was and still is stunning.

I still look at version 5.5 as an incredible engine to use. Now, I don't know whether that's because of my fluency with it or it's creative ease of use but, without argument, 5.5 is an engineering piece of genius by absolution.

Version 6.x Well, I'm an old hat at "Using what does work, and waiting for what doesn't later!"

Some people here scream at broken hammers.
I just pick up some glue. ;)

Some say Reallusion are a herd of tangled prepubescent octopi...
Others, that they're a family of miniature monastic bats from space.
What ever they are, they make iClone and it rocks! :P

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

planetstardragon (1/29/2015)

Actually, what you are looking at is a so-called directory junction to my iClone 5 props, which is a bit more than a mere shortcut and shows up in directory listings as a directory.

The command to use is MKLINK:

MKLINK [[/D] | [/H] | [/J]] Link Target

/D      Creates a directory symbolic link. Default is a file symbolic link.
/H      Creates a hard link instead of a symbolic link.
/J      Creates a Directory Junction.
Link    specifies the new symbolic link name.
Target specifies the path (relative or absolute) that the new link refers to.

By using option /J you create a junction.

For example, for the iClone 5 props I used the command:

mklink /J "F:\Media\Reallusion\Template\iClone 6 Template\iClone Template\Props\iClone 5 Props" "F:\Media\Reallusion\Template\iClone 5 Template\iClone Template\Props"

There is one caveat I found, which I why I don't use this all the time: If you back up your content, directory junctions are treated as regular directories and everything is copied.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

hrmm, first I hear of that command, thanks Animagic! :D

By momillis - 11 Years Ago

KenCoon (1/27/2015)

Is there a group of you out there who like just stirring up problems on this forum?

I agree Ken!

I've been on 3 posts today and 2 had childish like stabs. The forum IS NOT for this. Your suppose to be setting an example here. I'm here to learn and help. I'll just stop posting if that's what I'm gonna run into all the time.

Reallusion is suppose to be better than this. Maybe there should be rules that dock and ban members for this behavior. :D

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

the solution is to love them all, think of the brats like little brothers / sisters and you will find it easy to calm things down with a good pillow whack!

hate a hater and you only chase your tail!

love is the only solution - hugs the haters till their eyes bulge out- :kiss:

By justaviking - 11 Years Ago

I think things are immensely better than they were a month ago.

We suffered from a temporary flare-up of anger and high emotions, magnified by a few trolls that enjoyed stirring the pot. I think we're headed in the right direction, getting back to our usual selves.

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

justaviking (2/2/2015)

magnified by a few trolls that enjoyed stirring the pot.

aww, thank you, I try! :Wow:

anything they can troll, I can troll better! ♪ ♫ ♬

By CHAKRABORTY - 11 Years Ago

I just want to tell you this is not unfinished beta - this is alpha software - full of bugs you can't do anything with it just getting on your nerves ... and so are these "tutors" who try to convince you Iclone is wonderful and it's just your imagination or the "trolls" ... I think people have had enough of this - software release with tons of bugs then patches fixing + generating lots of new bugs , patches after patches ...even my friend Txon continues to make movies with Iclone 5 and for a very good reason ,,, its a shame

By justaviking - 11 Years Ago

CHAKRABORTY (2/8/2015)

Your post was articulate and rational. Personally, that's all I ask for. It's the hysterical, flaming rants that I react to, and am please to see them decreasing.

iClone 6 is working well for me. Not perfectly, but good enough that I don't find myself opening iClone 5. It's not working well for you, so of course you don't like it. That only makes sense. I, for one, feel no need to convince you otherwise. I do feel badly for you, though, that you're not having a good experience, but I totally respect your viewpoint. Hopefully one of the upcoming patches will improve things for you.

Best wishes to you, and I hope you have fun iCloning, whichever version you use. :)

By animagic - 11 Years Ago

CHAKRABORTY (2/8/2015)

This is very interesting and I have to apologize. I always thought CHAKRABORTY visited here only to point out Txon's misdeeds, so I imagined they were on bad terms. Now I learn that Txon is actually a friend and that CHAKRABORTY is an apt iClone user disappointed in iClone 6.

But, you know, we "tutors" aren't that bad. We are always willing to help those who have genuine problems!

By planetstardragon - 11 Years Ago

there is a diversity of audience in this forum. Some that just want a stable, known technology software to run on lesser machines, and others that love the adventure of cutting edge technology and gaming machines..there are versions available for all of them..

It's that simple, and no excuse for anyone to act disrespectful, it's one thing to report a bug, it's quite another to dis a company's efforts when they are in fact listening and working on it, yes....iclone still needs more work, they announced 6.5 before 6 was even out, this is old news.....not an excuse for anyone to post any negative thing they want. make films, not war. If you start a war, I will end it. ♪ ♫ ♬ ✌ ♥

so to you sir, I give the hand .....

By colour - 11 Years Ago

CHAKRABORTY is another pseudo Username for a well-known Forum Member:ermm:.

It's the weekend - No doubt he's had a few gills down the pub ;)

By bluemidget666 - 11 Years Ago

Does everyone have a second identity on here ?

Anyways back to Iclone needing patches to fix bugs, I have just updated my copy of ZBRUSH and guess what ... It has bugs infact I have updated all my software from one time or another and thoes updates fix bugs.

No developer can know their software is going to work on every system and rely on bug reports from its users to fix it.

So do t whine time and time again, simply list the bugs and report them for fixing.

Simples..

When I say don't whine about it I mean don't change your name and carry on posting complaints
It's a bit weired ...

Complain if you have a legit complaint.

By colour - 11 Years Ago

Does everyone have a second identity on here ?

Only the Schizophrenics, Blue :D

By Peter (RL) - 11 Years Ago

colour (2/9/2015)

CHAKRABORTY is another pseudo Username for a well-known Forum Member:ermm:.

It's the weekend - No doubt he's had a few gills down the pub ;)

Hi Colour,

If you suspect some users are using aliases, can you please let me know via PM and I'll investigate.

Thanks.

By Sifr - 11 Years Ago

I warned you this day would come, in my brief absence the enemy has reared it's ugly head. Don't sellout RL.:w00t::w00t::w00t: