Guidelines for Mature Content in Marketplace


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By KaiD - 10 Years Ago
Hi all,

As you all may know, we recently had some controversy regarding certain adult-themed content that was published in the Marketplace. I have had quite an *ahem* interesting time recently researching how comparable sites deal with this issue, and also some fairly amusing meetings with the team here discussing how to deal with it.

I'm here to provide you with some guidelines for publishing content that is considered to be mature or adult-themed. I'll preface this by saying that we're not here to tell you what to do with poor old Chuck or whatever other nude character you may get your hands on, but our Marketplace is a public place for users ranging from school children to older conservative folk, and we would like to respect their right to a wholesome content browsing experience.

That said, here are the 3 guidelines that we've set up for publishing adult-themed content:

No functioning sexual parts
In our CCD agreement, we state that developers must not publish any sort of pornographic material. The nude human body itself can be used for artistic purposes, etc., but any sort of sexual functionality is a bit of a stretch, and would be considered pornographic to me. So, please refrain from adding this functionality. You can inform users who purchase your content in private how they might add this if they really wanted, but please don’t include it in the published character, and don’t mention anything about it in the description.



Tasteful and non-sexual description
Take as an example Daz’s Michael 6. The character does in fact include male genitalia (in the Pro version), however this is only a minimal mention in the description. I think that being overtly sexual with the description is not the sort of image we want for the Marketplace since there are lots of students, educators, and religious people shopping about as well. Therefore, if genitalia is included, just follow the template of Michael 6 when in doubt, and limit it to a 3-4 word footnote.



Non-inflammatory commercialization
Commercialization that is overtly sexual, with censored boxes and such over certain areas are a little provocative and tacky. We would prefer that the characters have undergarments or bikinis, etc. as Daz does in its images. Also, the use of real-life naked male or female images is prohibited.



The main point here is that we want to maintain a clean image in the Marketplace. We have nothing against selling nude characters, however we would prefer that they not be blatantly sexualized. A little sexuality is fine with content such as lingerie, etc., but please keep it tasteful. With regards to the Marketplace under Reallusion's name, we would prefer to go in the direction of a community like Daz rather than that of Second Life. In the future, we may consider creating some sort of adult filter for the Marketplace, but as of right now there are no plans for this.

So that's all I have to say about this 'arousing' issue. What you do on your own computer is your business, but we need to keep the Marketplace free of willy... at least functional willy. You may commence groaning. Wink
By colour - 10 Years Ago
Thanks for your lucid & humo(u)rous Post, Kai Smile

Although it's primarily aimed at Marketplace Content Developers, it should satisfy the concerns raised by complainants.

By planetstardragon - 10 Years Ago
It sounds fair and balanced to me.

i must admit that this event has inspired a midgets and milfs bundle idea....but i digress.
By bluemidget666 - 10 Years Ago
So no free willy 2, if only it worked out that way for the film...
By The Mythical Dragon - 10 Years Ago
I'm agreeable to the terms and thanks for creating a solid game plan for everyone to go by.

By BiggsTrek - 10 Years Ago
Thanks for the clarity! (I better not make a "Poop Particle Emitter" then... lol)

Smile
By colour - 10 Years Ago
"colour (8/20/2014)
Thanks for your lucid & humo(u)rous Post, Kai Smile

Although it's primarily aimed at Marketplace Content Developers, it should satisfy the concerns raised by complainants."

I take-back what I said. As at 14:45 today, it appears that Big Boss hasn't removed the offending Content from his Store;

[Removed By Moderator]

By rampart - 10 Years Ago
KaiD (8/20/2014)
Hi all,

As you all may know, we recently had some controversy regarding certain adult-themed content that was published in the Marketplace. I have had quite an *ahem* interesting time recently researching how comparable sites deal with this issue, and also some fairly amusing meetings with the team here discussing how to deal with it.

I'm here to provide you with some guidelines for publishing content that is considered to be mature or adult-themed. I'll preface this by saying that we're not here to tell you what to do with poor old Chuck or whatever other nude character you may get your hands on, but our Marketplace is a public place for users ranging from school children to older conservative folk, and we would like to respect their right to a wholesome content browsing experience.

That said, here are the 3 guidelines that we've set up for publishing adult-themed content:

No functioning sexual parts
In our CCD agreement, we state that developers must not publish any sort of pornographic material. The nude human body itself can be used for artistic purposes, etc., but any sort of sexual functionality is a bit of a stretch, and would be considered pornographic to me. So, please refrain from adding this functionality. You can inform users who purchase your content in private how they might add this if they really wanted, but please don’t include it in the published character, and don’t mention anything about it in the description.



Tasteful and non-sexual description
Take as an example Daz’s Michael 6. The character does in fact include male genitalia (in the Pro version), however this is only a minimal mention in the description. I think that being overtly sexual with the description is not the sort of image we want for the Marketplace since there are lots of students, educators, and religious people shopping about as well. Therefore, if genitalia is included, just follow the template of Michael 6 when in doubt, and limit it to a 3-4 word footnote.



Non-inflammatory commercialization
Commercialization that is overtly sexual, with censored boxes and such over certain areas are a little provocative and tacky. We would prefer that the characters have undergarments or bikinis, etc. as Daz does in its images. Also, the use of real-life naked male or female images is prohibited.



The main point here is that we want to maintain a clean image in the Marketplace. We have nothing against selling nude characters, however we would prefer that they not be blatantly sexualized. A little sexuality is fine with content such as lingerie, etc., but please keep it tasteful. With regards to the Marketplace under Reallusion's name, we would prefer to go in the direction of a community like Daz rather than that of Second Life. In the future, we may consider creating some sort of adult filter for the Marketplace, but as of right now there are no plans for this.

So that's all I have to say about this 'arousing' issue. What you do on your own computer is your business, but we need to keep the Marketplace free of willy... at least functional willy. You may commence groaning. Wink


What about your EULA - what about your terms and conditions for developers?

That is rhetorical question. No need to reply to me, I have said what needs saying and whether you can convince me or not will make no difference.

When you say things like you have. You are consenting to the development of content targeted for production of pornography. Yes, with this thread you are effectively licensing people to create porn using Reallusion applications and content. I take it you work for Reallusion. You have made a public policy statement in this posting, which may have altered other terms and conditions for the use of Reallusion applications and content.

Reallusion will be a party to any legal or criminal actions taken against people using RL content items. Reallusion will have made money from those transactions. RL will be legally bound to the perverts. Reallusion is an international company. Pornography may not be illegal in the US or some other countries, but what about the countries where it isn't legal. LOL

Reallusion would be wise to keep their EULA and terms and conditions for developers and leave this sorted stuff to others with less to lose.

You cannot walk through a cow pasture...you don't get some on you. (you know what "some" is)
By Peter (RL) - 10 Years Ago
colour (8/20/2014)
"colour (8/20/2014)
Thanks for your lucid & humo(u)rous Post, Kai Smile

Although it's primarily aimed at Marketplace Content Developers, it should satisfy the concerns raised by complainants."

I take-back what I said. As at 14:45 today, it appears that Big Boss hasn't removed the offending Content from his Store;

[Removed By Moderator]

Hi Colour,

As one of those who complained about BigBoss's content being posted on the forum, can you please stop posting screenshots and quotes from the product page. It seems counter productive to request the content be removed and then be the one who keeps posting it back on the forum.

Thanks for your understanding. Smile

By colour - 10 Years Ago
Peter (RL) (8/20/2014)
colour (8/20/2014)
"colour (8/20/2014)
Thanks for your lucid & humo(u)rous Post, Kai Smile

Although it's primarily aimed at Marketplace Content Developers, it should satisfy the concerns raised by complainants."

I take-back what I said. As at 14:45 today, it appears that Big Boss hasn't removed the offending Content from his Store;

[Removed By Moderator]

Hi Colour,

As one of those who complained about BigBoss's content being posted on the forum, can you please stop posting screenshots and quotes from the product page. It seems counter productive to request the content be removed and then be the one who keeps posting it back on the forum.

Thanks for your understanding. Smile

Agreed & thanks, Peter.

Screenshot in other Thread now removed by me.

By bluemidget666 - 10 Years Ago
When you say things like you have. You are consenting to the development of content targeted for production of pornography. Yes, with this thread you are effectively licensing people to create porn using Reallusion applications and content. I take it you work for Reallusion. You have made a public policy statement in this posting, which may have altered other terms and conditions for the use of Reallusion applications and content.

Reallusion will be a party to any legal or criminal actions taken against people using RL content items. Reallusion will have made money from those transactions. RL will be legally bound to the perverts. Reallusion is an international company. Pornography may not be illegal in the US or some other countries, but what about the countries where it isn't legal. LOL




When South Park offended people no one blames the software used to make South Park because that takes away the responsibility from the animation creators.



By rampart - 10 Years Ago
bluemidget666 (8/20/2014)
[quote]When you say things like you have. You are consenting to the development of content targeted for production of pornography. Yes, with this thread you are effectively licensing people to create porn using Reallusion applications and content. I take it you work for Reallusion. You have made a public policy statement in this posting, which may have altered other terms and conditions for the use of Reallusion applications and content.

Reallusion will be a party to any legal or criminal actions taken against people using RL content items. Reallusion will have made money from those transactions. RL will be legally bound to the perverts. Reallusion is an international company. Pornography may not be illegal in the US or some other countries, but what about the countries where it isn't legal. LOL

When South Park offended people no one blames the software used to make South Park because that takes away the responsibility from the animation creators.


South Park animations are so simple it wouldn't surprise me they are done by an eight year old.

I don't watch South Park, but from switching channel around on the TV I have seen some of the graphcis. I would not call it visual pornography? maybe trash talk, or maybe there is a term for it.

Probably not a good example of pornography would be my guess.

Regardless,

Reallusion will stand for their own problems. Your comments have their merit, but you cannot stand in the gap or indemnify Reallusion when it goes bad.

Reallusion has to make their own decisions about their business and regardless of what people think is fair, just or wrong, etc. Reallusion cannot ignore their business to appease a small group of people making noise.
By mr_vidius - 10 Years Ago
and thank you Blue! Wink you took the words.. right out of my mouth! w00t hopefully those words were not covered too much with saliva. Wow

thank you Kai and Peter. hopefully that will calm things down.. until the next grip. BigGrin

and now.. that evil has been destroyed in this universe.. I will now return to the vidius universe. because I am a god there.. and I got godly things to do.. like answering prayers, feeding my dragons and snails, admiring my space fleet, going the my children's birthday parties ( all 50 thousand of them) and seeing to it my wives and harem don't spend all of my money. I will need it for Iclone 6 and if I can swing it.. the pipeline. BigGrin and so I bid you all a short farewell.. live long, and don't make any porns! w00t

vidius
By bluemidget666 - 10 Years Ago
@rampart

If it does go bad I will think back on your words, I personally do not see it happening but it's a time will tell situation I guess.

For now if people can live with the moves RL have made then it's done with..

Peace ...
By planetstardragon - 10 Years Ago
no matter how it's put, the community is what will represent RL the most.
I am very happy and proud of this community, and I'm not worried.

considering the battles that have happened on this forum, it's kept together quite nicely.

Also on that note ...

To all Vet Developers....

Many of our members on the forum are new, and in fact there are more new members than old ones.

Please don't ask us to take sides in old disagreements, the new guys like all of you without prejudice. It's not proper to pull us into those fights. Part of this issue was no doubt made greater than it should of been because of issues that have nothing to do with the new guys. It's not right and it will only backfire.

Please. Smile
By seppgirty - 10 Years Ago
WOW! Now i see why they call him BIG BOSS.w00t I can't believe no one said that yet. Hehe

On a serious note. I can see both sides of the coin here. It is not content for children but i think grown ups can make up there own minds. Besides, I don't think the part in question works. Maybe if you cut the guys arms off he will be considered a work of art.
By animagic - 10 Years Ago
I think RL provides a balanced solution. I also feel that emotionally charged words as "perverts" have no place in a serious discussion, as does mentioning of "legal" action. That sounds to me too much as pushing a restrictive cultural agenda.
By planetstardragon - 10 Years Ago
prevention is better than cure, US federal law is very strict about it. you don't want RL being pulled in for someone elses actions, especially if the item was available for children to purchase. If it scared some people into making better decisions, good...the courts are filled with people that say "I can't believe this is happening to me"

my position has nothing to do with my personal anything, and everything to do with the well being of RL, it's developers and community.
By Tumble Weed - 10 Years Ago
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rampart (8/20/2014)
...//...When you say things like you have, (re: KaiD's statement) you are consenting to the development of content targeted for production of pornography. Yes, with this thread you are effectively licensing people to create porn using Reallusion applications and content ...//...


The Penultimate voice of reason.

When I read statements like the above I suddenly feel very alone. It's as if, for some reason beyond my understanding, idiocy and deliberation regarding incorrect formulation of understanding the blatant facts is being promoted by those who simply wish to push the knife in because they want blood for the sake of it.

If we suffice it to say, "When does a piece of string become a rope", the argument for pornography's beginnings and endings lies only in argument and contrast of predominant surrounding events of the individual observing such productive output.

Nobody has the right to vet content created with these tools because the Artistic Licence is infinite but the placement of such goods for sale should have been vetted to restrict inappropriate viewing from the start.

In so doing, such declaration is hardly a statement for freedom of sexual extremity in animated content by anyone let alone Reallusion.

Morality lies in the global atmosphere of the production at hand and in this the Director HAS to be allowed the right to his imagination.

I don't indulge in anything concerning nudity aside from the purist form of Thi-Mai but I find it appalling that creative licence should ever be culled for the sake of the primevally minded few.

I'm happy that Reallusion are Happy that, globally, such content is allowed for sale provided it doesn't appear in Reallusion stores which are  "Family arenas" by my interpretation anyway. 

Armstrong.

By gizmo - 10 Years Ago
Nobody has the right to vet content created with these tools because the Artistic Licence is infinite but the placement of such goods for sale should have been vetted to restrict inappropriate viewing from the start. Armstrong.


At last . . . Someone who has the sensible viewpoint and does not want to hang anyone. Can we move on now?
By Sevenar - 10 Years Ago
I suppose some people want to ban pencils, too. After all, if you take out the "c" and the "l", what are you left with but "penis"? With that kind of subliminal advertising, what else are you going to draw with them? BigGrin
By Stefos - 9 Years Ago
I agree mostly with what has been posted by KaiD QUESTION ARE WE TO STOP CREATING OR MAKING HORROR AND VIOLENT CONTENT ? OR IS THE ACT OF VIOLENCE OK? Without SEX, VIOLENCE THERE WOULD BE NO MOVIE INDUSTRY AND IN FACT NO COMPUTER GAME INDUSTRY AS WE NO IT NOW, IT WOULD BE PRETTY BORING
I must remember to complain to every manufacture of video cameras that their production of camera and equipment is causing people to use them as tools in the porn industry. I must also remember to complain to every film studio that creates action or horror movies that they are to blame for all the horror and war that takes place on this planet. I must also complain to every computer game developer that create fps games that THEY are to blame for all the war around the planet (note the game and film industry is part of us) All though I agree with a certain level of censorship when selling "artistic" virtual 3d nude dolls, as this is all they are, dolls...you also have to remember that a good percentage of the users are not only adult in body but also in mind. We are supposed to be artists not prudes !!! I VOTE THAT AN ADULT SECTION IS OPENED AND WE CAN ALL VISIT WITH OUR VIRTUAL BROWN PAPER BAGS AND DARK GLASSES AND HATS.
By Lord Ashes - 9 Years Ago

What about your EULA - what about your terms and conditions for developers?

That is rhetorical question. No need to reply to me, I have said what needs saying and whether you can convince me or not will make no difference.

When you say things like you have. You are consenting to the development of content targeted for production of pornography. Yes, with this thread you are effectively licensing people to create porn using Reallusion applications and content. I take it you work for Reallusion. You have made a public policy statement in this posting, which may have altered other terms and conditions for the use of Reallusion applications and content.

Reallusion will be a party to any legal or criminal actions taken against people using RL content items. Reallusion will have made money from those transactions. RL will be legally bound to the perverts. Reallusion is an international company. Pornography may not be illegal in the US or some other countries, but what about the countries where it isn't legal. LOL

Reallusion would be wise to keep their EULA and terms and conditions for developers and leave this sorted stuff to others with less to lose.

You cannot walk through a cow pasture...you don't get some on you. (you know what "some" is)


If you really believe that then almost any household item including games, toys, etc would have to be taken off the market because almost anything any be used for a sexual purpose. Should the makers of rubber duckies be held accountable for their use in sexual games? Should banana growers be held responsible because someone can eat a banana really sexually? No. RL provides software for making films. It is up to the user if they make a G-rated film, PG-rated film, R-rated or a XXX-rated film. The guidelines seem very sensible.
By Tarampa Studios - 9 Years Ago
No groans from me - coz understanding our market is the key to making the most money from each niche. (It's also the reason why Luke never swore when Vader chopped off his hand, and why the biggest and heaviest hitting science fiction at MGM still keeps all of its language rated PG... or as the old farmer says; you can't milk it, if you can't catch it)...

That said, can we please have a modest upgrade to iC so we can save Mason, Chuck, Dylan and Trey from their current G rating? 

The poor chaps are hung like 12 year old Asian girls... but if we can adjust the chests and waists of our ladies and lasses, can we please oh please, have a function to turn our males into men? 

Nothing wibbly or wobbly required, but gosh, a polite hint of masculinity would be a lot more lifelike... (and less embarrassing)... even if it's only done with an optional bump map... 

Pleeeeeease? 




By LarryPlane - 9 Years Ago
A little confused by this thread. My understanding was there existed and area of the market place where figures that are anatomically complete could be purchased, but that this had to be accessed in some special way?

Am I wrong here? Is sex just totally forbidden by RL? Kinda limits the stories I want to tell, which tend to explore human relationships, part of that is of course sex.
By Kelleytoons - 9 Years Ago
Paul,

This is an old thread (or rather old -- last post was seven months prior to yours).  Now there are indeed such anatomically correct models, although AFAIK it's still the one seller that has made them (no real need for any others, though).

I bought the female version and it's pretty nice -- can't say about the male version (I actually have no need for either but just morbid curiousity...)

Just search in the MP for "anatomically correct" and you'll find them.