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By dante1st - 13 Years Ago
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So after spending at least a 100 hours making this 8 minute video (project file is 300MB), I can't render it for the following reasons.
1 If I try to render it in iClone 32bit, I get the annoying "error loading WAV file."
2) If I render it in the 64bit BETA, guess what? NO CODECS. Which means, my only option is to render it Full Uncompressed. Final size would be gigantic (over 10 gbs).
So how do I go about this? How do I make my project render? I'd have to address it in the following ways:
A) Somehow get 32bit iClone to NOT give the WAV file error (I tried replacing the MP3 files with WAV files, didn't help. I peeled back layer by layer and was able to determine that it's not any ONE particular music file, just the fact that I have so many of them, but they're all needed...)
B) OR.....somehow 64bit beta version to give me other rending options OTHER than Full Uncompressed.
Somehow PLEASE help, I'm so depressed after slaving over this project for nearly 2 months, to be stopped by this glitch in the program.
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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render it without audio then mix the audio in with a video editor ?
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By dante1st - 13 Years Ago
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Thanks, I'll try that. Any recommendation on video editing software? Any good free ones? I just need to be able to mute the sounds of my iClone video, and export it again in 720P quality, that's my goal.
(the reason I need to mute the sounds, is because I just found out that if I delete a sound file from Kane, for example from his walk or run animation, it actually BREAKS his animation. So what I did was delete the music and sound effects, but left the "embedded" character sounds intact)
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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to be honest, i'm not crazy about the free editors out there as they tend to be a bit unstable ...BUT there is one that i use on occasion because it has some cool unique effects and is relatively stable in comparison to the others.... plus you can use it as a plug in with some softwares, it also has compositing features and as a stand alone i believe it can also take some of the free plug ins found on the net.... http://www.debugmode.com/wax/
it definitely has it's cool features, but again ....it can get unstable at times. but it's free...so ...this makes that a bit more tolerable. Just save often :)
actually it's listed as a special effects / compositing software but i think you can edit with it also, i used it mostly as special effects and was happy with the results.
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By animagic - 13 Years Ago
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dante1st (5/8/2012)
Thanks, I'll try that. Any recommendation on video editing software? Any good free ones? I just need to be able to mute the sounds of my iClone video, and export it again in 720P quality, that's my goal.
(the reason I need to mute the sounds, is because I just found out that if I delete a sound file from Kane, for example from his walk or run animation, it actually BREAKS his animation. So what I did was delete the music and sound effects, but left the "embedded" character sounds intact)You can mute the sounds associated with a character by going to the Modify panel on the right. Near the bottom is an option to Mute those sounds. This is only for walk sounds and such, not for dialog.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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Another option would be to render it at full uncompressed AVI then convert it to the format of your choice using software like format factory. Or load the full uncompressed Avi into your editor of choice and save it out in another format. this is the method I use, I only compress the final video..
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By colour - 13 Years Ago
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IMO, if all of the Sound Files you've Imported Play in Play-back, then both iClone & your PC are capable of Rendering them in Real-Time & therefore "should" Render them to File; AVI 720p. Do this: 1) Check your HDD for Fragmentation & Defragment it, if it needs it. 2) Open your Project. Go to Export & Select AVI 720p. Go-back to Set. Then your Project will be the same Resolution as your Export. 3) Go to; Export & Select MP4 for PC HD 720p. Then you won't get the Uncompressed Dialog Pop-up.
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By dante1st - 13 Years Ago
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I greatly appreciate the tips everyone.
I'm not able to select MP4 while I'm using 32bit, since I don't even get the option to pick how I want to export it. The moment I hit export, I get the WAV file error.
Currently, I just got home from work to see that iClone 64 bit is still rending, and it's up to 30gbs now.
After this is complete, and if I'm not able to figure out how to compress this down into a manageable sized AVI, then I'll go with option 2, which is use 32BIT iclone, remove all the sound as people suggested, which then WILL give me the option for various export choices, so size is no longer an issue..., then finally add the sound in post production in another program (which is another issue I'll figure out).
I hate having barriers and obstacles between my ideas i want to put on screen and the final result. IMO any barriers should strictly be of the type: "how do I make this scene work? how do I better focus the narrative?" And NOT "WTF is wrong with this program, why it it giving me glitches if I myself, the user, did nothing wrong am using it 'right' ?"
/rant
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By colour - 13 Years Ago
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Well - You really do need a NLE Video Editing Program in addition to iClone for iClone Post Production Editing. Many of us use both, Producing several iClone Projects within our own single Project. Exporting those to File & Importing the Files into the NLE Program for further Editing & Export to the desired Format. Windows Moviemaker comes with Windows XP. WindowsLive Movemaker comes with Windows 7. Both are Free. However, they might not have an Editable Audio Timeline, which you need if you're Importing Audio. There are many purchased Consumer NLEs that do. IMO, that is your immediate problem, because you need to decide upon which one & then learn how to use it, which will take several weeks/months. Even then, IMO, they won't Import a 60GB 8 minute Uncompressed RAW AVI File. IMO, in the short-term, you should send a Support Ticket to Reallusion, to see if they can resolve your specific problem re; Unable to load WAV File.. You could Export in iClone 64 Bit, by Selecting Microsoft 1 or Indeo 510 in the AVI Pop-Up Options. Both will Export Compressed very small Files, but not HD. It depends upon what you want to use yout Final Export for.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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You might like this .. you equally may not but it is free and used to make some cool films http://www.lightworksbeta.com/
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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hrmm, i forgot about that one, I remember when it first came out, was more unstable than an ex-crackhead. how is it running now ? must be better since they are releasing a pro version.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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Had to install a patch to get it to run ..... seems ok now... it must be ok as they used it on the kings speech... I find it awkward but that could be just me .. worth a look if ya need a free editor..
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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i wasn't crazy about it either, it ran with that bin system stuff - didn't flow with my noob style of film making. I film then drop it into the scene - repeat. they seemed to want to convert everything into a bin first like avid.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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there is this one .. Im downloading now .. see if its any cop http://www.avs4you.com/AVS-Video-Editor.aspx?type=GoogleAdWordsSearch&gclid=CNi7ro_J9K8CFU4lfAodgmtbEw
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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hrmm - lots of features for a freebie! nice one!! let me know how it works out! although I will say lightworks looks like it was made for bigger film type projects - this one looks good for the 3 minute quickies. You ever try the debugmode - wax one I posted earlier ? I like that one a lot - it taps into the freebie effects you can get on the net for the really unique things - nice tool to just have in the collection when you wanna do something strange and unique. i like using it when i do vj trippy acid type music videos.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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Phaa its cool but ya need to pay to get rid of watermark .. thats not what I call free ...
as for debugmode - wax yeah I think I have a copy on my HD somewhere ..
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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ya , thats more of a barter system, you advertise , we edit lol still a ton of features though - could be good for people that are just posting personal stuff on youtube that don't care....u know ...the little joey stuff lol
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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Now if I were running Linux I would have what look to be a choice of free video editors, and they do look cool ..
http://www.openmovieeditor.org/screenshots.html
http://www.kdenlive.org/
http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php
http://lives.sourceforge.net/
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By dante1st - 13 Years Ago
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Ok I have one last question for now, and I appreciate all the help so far, but HOW DO I PREVENT THIS in the future????
What is it that I did wrong? Is an 8 min video just too much to do under one iProject file? I want to do whatever I can to prevent this absolute debacle in the future. This is just too much.
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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i've read a lot about CINELERRA - but all the linux software looks so windows 95'ish - and i've heard that with linux you really have to know a certain level of programming to roll with it. seems more like a techie thing than an artists thing.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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What is it that I did wrong? Is an 8 min video just too much to do under one iProject file? I want to do whatever I can to prevent this absolute debacle in the future. This is just too much.
You will need to talk with the developers and figure out why it happened this time, until thats nailed down its just guessing ... sorry
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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@dante1st - yeah, an 8 minute iclone video is just harsh on memory, i was surprised you could render at all to be honest. I personally like to edit a lot so I usually do small 3 second shots myself. but 8 minutes ....kudos to you for taking it that far !! hehe
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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i've read a lot about CINELERRA - but all the linux software looks so windows 95'ish - and i've heard that with linux you really have to know a certain level of programming to roll with it. seems more like a techie thing than an artists thing.
Ho yeah back to command prompt, and they will tell you it never crashes .. well you try fix it when it does ...
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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yeah, see ? i learned about that stuff through music.....the guys that knew how to calculate algorithms for sophisticated equipment - couldn't make a hot dance track if their life depended on it ....I learned a lot from them but now in general i want to spend more time creating than calculating - i could go there ...i've done it for other people but it just kills the creativity. the biggest set back is watching some no tech guy that can't work a computer get drunk make up ideas tell me what to do while i had to wrestle with equipment and settings ...and they got rich. ...nooo thank you i like the easy buttons ...not that i'd be dead without em
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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If I were 25 years younger Linux might have my interest, now I just want software to work, though not in the apple Mac style, I also want to be able to rip my system apart when needed.
there is a limit:D
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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well i haven't lost all my geekyness ....get both mac and pc ...and you'd be in heaven....i actually had a techie reaction there for a second since i have another pc laptop i could format for linux .....but i paused - shuddered and dropped it faster than a religious debate in a church that endorses executions!
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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i have another pc laptop i could format for linux .....but i paused - shuddered and dropped it faster than a religious debate in a church that endorses executions!
I did it, mainly as I wanted to say "Yeah I use Linux" it crashed about 2 days in and needed total reinstall. I gave up because I can not pronounce half of the distributions titles and if you think this forum can be tetchy at times try Linux forums, the people in there are like Swooop on acid ...
No offence to Swooop.
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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there's actually nothing wrong with it - it's a fun gig to get that deep into it ...I just want o be an artist though...making up stuff is a job all it's own that can get just as technical on a different level. There just isn't enough time in life to master everything, not that i can't master something, i just have more fun making up stuff than calculating stuff.
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By animagic - 13 Years Ago
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dante1st (5/9/2012)
Ok I have one last question for now, and I appreciate all the help so far, but HOW DO I PREVENT THIS in the future????
What is it that I did wrong? Is an 8 min video just too much to do under one iProject file? I want to do whatever I can to prevent this absolute debacle in the future. This is just too much.I usually split a film up in scenes of around one minute, just to be on the safe side, and also to see some intermediary results to inspire me...:w00t: I also render as image sequences, which gives a lot of files, but not one huge file. I'm not a developer but what might be the problem is that iClone for some reason ran out of temp space during rendering although with today's disk sizes this doesn't sound too likely. Or, since this is a large project, it may use extra RAM during rendering that isn't available, although in that case it's more likely for iClone to crash. You could still split your project up by trying to render shorter sections and then piece them together. One way or the other, I hope you get it sorted.
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By dante1st - 13 Years Ago
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I'm so stoked, you guys won't believe it, but I used Windows Movie Maker and compressed that 35GB raw movie file into a 314MB (megabytes!!!) WMV file in under an hour, with NO NOTICEABLE LOSS OF QUALITY!!!!
After all that drama, here is the finished product!
Thanks to all, I couldn't have done it without the knowledge and insight.
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By bluemidget666 - 13 Years Ago
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Ha! very cool but if you did all that in one 8 min scene I can see why you had problems, there is a lot of information for a computer to deal with in one go .. But very cool vid :)
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By planetstardragon - 13 Years Ago
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ya, i was thinking the same thing....nice video , obviously a lot of work put into it, but also obvious your computer must have been stressed doing it! :)
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By colour - 13 Years Ago
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I'm amazed WMM Imported that File. Good job for WMM. My other comments are in the Showcase your work Thread.
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By wires - 13 Years Ago
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WOW!!!!! Do you render your stuff on a bunch of Crays? That Roman city has over 700,000 faces :w00t: and "killed" a lot of 3DXchange attempts to get it from Sketchup to iClone.
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By animatom - 13 Years Ago
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Obviously enormous amount of dedicated work in there. Thumbs up.
If I may give you a little advice: try to toy more with lights and shadows...
Movies are all about lights.
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By thebiz.movies - 13 Years Ago
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wires (5/10/2012)
WOW!!!!!
Do you render your stuff on a bunch of Crays?
That Roman city has over 700,000 faces :w00t: and "killed" a lot of 3DXchange attempts to get it from Sketchup to iClone.
Actually Wires, I broke up all the parts and gave them away as freebies at my store. They are quite manageable in parts.
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By wires - 13 Years Ago
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........They are quite manageable in parts. It's the sum of the parts that amaze me.:w00t::D:cool:
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