Reallusion is continuing to refine the live motion capture experience with iClone 5!  As a result of the great deal of hard work and user feedback we have received, we are now well on our way to improving the usability and functionality of personal motion capture in iClone 5.1.  Thanks to our work as an official partner with Microsoft, Reallusion is now able to offer an early look at the Kinect SDK Beta experience to all iClone Mocap Plug-in users.  Kinect SDK Beta is not for commercial use yet, but you can use it for animated production and sharing (Microsoft will announce their commercial SDK policy soon).  This is a huge step forward towards making Kinect a more fantastic and exceptional mocap animation tool, but certainly not the last. 

iClone 5.1 is scheduled to be released in January.  As appreciation for our forum users’ enthusiastic support, Reallusion would like to provide you with exclusive early access to the 5.1 Beta version of iClone.  Simply follow these instructions below to become one of the first users to experience the new mocap and physics functions in iClone 5! 

Download iClone 5.1 Beta

Download iClone 5.1 Patch
http://file.reallusion.com/patch/ic/iC510_Enu_Full_Patch.exe

See the new features about iClone 5.1
http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/iclone_whatsnew_v51.aspx

See the Beta documents for iClone 5.1
http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/help/iclone5/PRO/default.asp?page=20_Physics/Constraint/The_Basic_Workflow_of_Using_Constraint.htm

http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/help/iclone5/PRO/default.asp?page=20_Physics/Setting_States_Keys.htm

http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/help/iclone5/PRO/default.asp?page=08_Animation/Device_Mocap/Using_Body_Command_Feature_to_Preview_or_Record.htm

http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/help/iclone5/PRO/default.asp?page=08_Animation/Device_Mocap/Rectifying_the_Characters_Direction.htm

http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/help/iclone5/PRO/default.asp?page=08_Animation/Device_Mocap/Rectifying_the_Twisting_Legs_in_Full_Body_Mode.htm

http://www.reallusion.com/iclone/help/iclone5/PRO/default.asp?page=08_Animation/Device_Mocap/Activating_the_Foot_Rotation_in_Full_Body_Mode.htm


How to Use Microsoft SDK Beta System for Mocap

Currently, the plug-in version that you use with iClone 5 is from Open NI, which is not compatible with the Microsoft SDK Beta version.  Therefore, if you want to use the Microsoft SDK Beta version, you will need to uninstall your current plug-in and re-install the new version of the plug-in. You can resume the Open NI system by doing the same procedure.

Download Mocap Plugin 1.1 – Microsoft SDK beta
http://file.reallusion.com/ic/Mocap_Plug_in110_MS.exe
(compatible with Windows7)

Provide Feedback and Win

Reallusion is eager to collect your real user experience using the Microsoft Kinect SDK Beta for motion capture.  From now until January 31th, if you submit your Kinect test video with your comments, you will get the chance to win the upcoming iClone 5.1 content pack “Physics Gears”.  Physics Gears is a quintessential set of tools for physics animation in iClone 5, and is one of the most exciting content pack in Q1.  Check out the demo video to see the neat features we’ve embedded in this pack. 
http://youtu.be/mrHDod6zv5g

Once your submitted video is selected for display on the Reallusion website, you will be awarded a free copy of the Physics Gears content pack.  Please post your video with feedback under this form thread.  The videos which demonstrates the new enhancements like head/wrist movement, half body capture and stable floor alignment will be preferred. 

Here are some video examples for your reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOUivtxKU-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pke0FDhlCFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXP7ZDkyCfI

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Reallusion, Inc.

You put in the same serial number you received when you originally purchased the Mocap Device Plugin.

It's possible that even after uninstalling, you still have some conflicting drivers causing the problem. It may be worth checking your installed drivers (information on this can be found HERE) to see if any conflicts still  remain.

Other than that I would advise contacting Tech Support, using the link below, if the problem still persists. They will be able to advise you further.

http://www.reallusion.com/CustomerSupport/User/QForm.aspx

Ensure that iClone is updated to version 5.1 (Essential).

Before installing the Mocap Device MS Beta, make sure the device is plugged into PC (both the USB and power adapter)

Then after installation ensure that the drivers are installed correctly (See Image Below).

If any of the the drivers show Primesense, please right mouse click the driver and uninstall it. Then re-install the “Mocap Device (MS Beta) installer” to update the drivers.

If this doesn't solve the problem please contact Support using the link below.

http://www.reallusion.com/CustomerSupport/User/QForm.aspx

Thanks.

That sounds kind of limiting. Can RL confer?

EDIT: OK I read the original announcement; Windows 7 only.

The Open NI still works in Windows XP & Vista with these great 5.1 enhancements.
You may check out the table below. There are only two features missed in Open NI system.
But for Kinect SDK Beta 2, it only works in Win7.

Will report back my findings

Had to return the Kinect so have nothing to update or share.

Sorry guys

You need to use the standalone Kinect, which has a separate power supply cable. Like the one here: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.216507400. It plugs directly into your computer.

Figured I'd post here; already raised a support incident with the folks at RL.

Finally got around to installing the MS Windows Kinect version (Mocap_Plug_in_MSForWin.exe) package on my Win7 64-bit workstation.  The installation goes through fine even though it generates a driver error on "Microsoft Kinect Audio Control".

After clicking the CONNECT button in the "Mocap Device Plug-in (Kinect for Windows)" application, about 10 seconds elapse and the following error appears:

"Connecting to Mocap Device
Supplied user generator does not support skeleton."

* EDIT *

#1: I'm testing with a KINECT XBOX 360, and from this FAQ (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/kinectforwindows/news/faq.aspx) it would appear that it's not supported past BETA 2 - can anyone confirm?

#2: Well, I can confirm this to be the case.  For those of you who have invested in the KINECT XBOX 360, you will likely need to stay with the (Mocap_Plug_in110_MS.exe) package.  Guess the price I paid for all these KINECT devices *was* too good to be true.

I can confirm that the new Microsoft Kinect SDK Plugin is for Kinect For Windows users only. Those who have the Kinect For Xbox should continue to use the Microsoft Kinect SDK Beta version. You can see the features supported by each version below.

Yep; although that information should have been posted well before the launch of the MOCAP software.  Few points regarding the matrix:

1. The OpenNI columns needs an asterisk besides KINECT For XBOX (*)
2. The BETA Software is not supported, will eventually expire, and can't be used for commercial purposes
3. The matrix should have likely been posted well before the launch so as to permit customers to make an informed decision
4. The Matrix should also indicate "clearly" that customers should not upgrade their version of IC5 past 5.11 as versions 5.12+ only include KINECT for Windows SDK support.

Had I known that KINECT for Windows was going to be released, I would have held off purchasing the units.  Knowing that I cannot legally use it for any "light" commercial purposes places me in position where I must purchase KINECT for Windows units to remain legitimate and compliant to license agreements ... shame on me for not having done my complete due diligence.

I think there has been a misunderstanding.

It doesn't say customers should not upgrade their version of iClone past 5.11.

It states you can't use the latest Microsoft Kinect SDK (with v5.12) unless you have a Kinect For Windows device. You can still have iClone 5.12 installed and use a Kinect For Xbox sensor. In this case you must install the orignal Open NI based SDK or the Micorsoft Kinect SDK Beta. All of which are available from within your account.

Hi Peter,

I'm posting in this thread so as to avoid starting another debate in the new "clarification" thread you created.  There's a few additonal "clarification" points that need to be added in your new thread; these are:

#1 - OpenNI Driver Solution

Q: Will RL continue to support this solution until, at the very least, the next major release of IC5 and/or MOCAP software? 

Q: Will RL look to improve this solution to provide Auto Floor Calibration and Wrist/Head Movement?

#2 - MS SDK BETA 2

Q: Can RL confirm that the SDK BETA2 will not expire at a preset time in the future - i.e. will remain available for download and be installable?  Understanding of course, that this is for research purpose; not to be used for commercial purposes as per MS restrictions.

Q: MS no longer supports the SDK BETA2 as the "Official" SDK has released.  Will RL continue to provide support for SDK BETA2 and based on RL's agreement with MS, is this permitted?

#3 - "Official" MS SDK 1.10

Q: Will RL actively maintain/support updates to the SDK runtimes to ensure that the latest version of the drivers are always available in IC5 and/or MOCAP software?

#4 - IC5 Updates

Q: Will future IC5 updates always provide backwards compatibility/support for OpenNI and SDK BETA 2?

#5 - MOCAP Software Updates

Q: Will future MOCAP Software updates provide backwards compatibility/support for OpenNI and SDK BETA 2?

There's a lot of questions there so I will need to clarify some points first.

I will update again soon. Thanks for your patience.

An "X" means the feature is not available.

You can download the SDK Beta 2 at any time from your Account. Just click Bonus for your version of the Mocap Device Plugin in your Registered Programs list.

A: Yes

A: This depends if Primesense update the Open NI SDK to support camera motor and head and wrist movement. If they do iClone will support it.

A: There are no limitations on this version in iClone. The Beta will expire on 16th June 2016. This is Microsofts Beta policy so Reallusion can't change it. Please reference: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/kinectforwindows/

A: Yes

A: Yes

A: Yes iClone will maintain compatability with all three mocap plugins.

A: Yes

Firstly; thank you for taking the time to research and post responses to these questions.  May I suggest that you digest the relevant questions/answers into your "Kinect SDK & Driver Options Explained" thread (ex: sdk expiration). 

I see this new thread as being a "first-stop" thread to all that is KINECT.

Cheers,

Which Kinect sensor and driver combination are you using?

Thanks for clarifying.

I would advise contacting Support about this issue as they may have a solution. You should be able to use v5.12 with the Microsoft Kinect SDK Beta 2.

http://www.reallusion.com/CustomerSupport/User/QForm.aspx

If you really want to drop back to v5.11 then you can do so but you will need to uninstall iClone5 first. You can then download the latest v5.1 installer from your Account and then only patch to v5.11.

I'm using IC5.12 and have been successful in using the XB360 Kinect with both the OpenNI and MS SDK BETA2. 

I did have to remove the OpenNI/PrimeSense driver packages from Program & Features (aka Add/Remove Programs) as well as the RL Mocap package before installing the RL MS SDK BETA2 Mocap package.  To switch back, I removed the Kinect related packages and the RL Mocap package.

Once I received the Windows Kinect devices that I ordered, I removed all the previous Mocap related packages, installed the RL Windows Kinect Mocap package which installed the retail MS SDK with success.