more formal clothing for news anchor - G5 characters


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By domineaux - 13 Years Ago
Has anyone done any suits or clothing for the G5 characters that you would associate with TV news anchors.

Everything I have seen is very casual. Suits for guys, dresses and suites for ladies is what I'm thinking of. News anchors have to be taken more seriously by viewers, it's hard to take casually dressed people serious. Flip flops and tank tops won't fill the need.









By animagic - 13 Years Ago
There are CloneCloth suits for iClone 3 characters. You can combine those with iClone 5 heads. The wait is for CloneCloth for iClone 5. You will see more clothing options then.

Now there is of course PIX News...

Sorry about the title, children, this may not be acceptable on a family forum...Blush

By domineaux - 13 Years Ago
The weather and traffic gals are always T & A.

I'm talking about news anchors - the ladies do show cleavage, and hot colors (red) dresses to accentuate the cleavage. I'm sure that is a requirement for the job. At least that looks the way of cable tv.

Anyway, guys in argyle sweaters and such doesn't cut it for men news anchors, etc. Must be the tv stations want guys to look executive and the ladies appear to be looking like they have men in mind.

This is really sad commentary. Women have so many rights, and yet that have to promote their sexuality to keep a job.



By JasonWynngard - 13 Years Ago
domineaux (11/16/2011)
The weather and traffic gals are always T & A.

I'm talking about news anchors - the ladies do show cleavage, and hot colors (red) dresses to accentuate the cleavage. I'm sure that is a requirement for the job. At least that looks the way of cable tv.

Anyway, guys in argyle sweaters and such doesn't cut it for men news anchors, etc. Must be the tv stations want guys to look executive and the ladies appear to be looking like they have men in mind.

This is really sad commentary. Women have so many rights, and yet that have to promote their sexuality to keep a job.





I've brought this matter up before myself. Since I work in the education field, there's a lot I can't use clothing wise because it's too suggestive. Further, in this age of authority figures engaging in very inappropriate behavior to students (or young people in general), the request for more conservative clothing is something I hope Reallusion takes seriously. Not all of us are stuck in our teen age years with brains mislocated in the southern fore region of our anatomy.

If it helps, one way I circumvent the clothing issue though not always with satisfactory results is to obtain front and back clothing patterns to scan or download from McCall or Simplicity. I color then apply to the diffuse and such to iClone characters. I select clothing that is not as you say T and A which is best for a teacher to steer clear of at all times in my book. This was further evidenced a month or so ago when my 9yr old granddaughter and siblings were visiting. Thinking the kids were with their mom at the mall, I decided to catch up on some work while the house was kid-free. Unknown to me, the kid was standing just behind my left shoulder while I was re-clothing a female character. A shadow caused me to turn around and she started giggling and asked why was I looking at "bad" girls. It was a task to explain to her I wasn't doing that. Letting her see the re-clothing process where I made 'bad' girls into "good" girls seems to have done the trick but it was darn embarrassing. And showed how right I am to be darn careful in my clothing selections. The good news is that RL artists do provide some era and other clothing suitable for classroom use but just not enough selections.
By rampart - 13 Years Ago
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By Shaky - 13 Years Ago
domineaux (11/15/2011)
Has anyone done any suits or clothing for the G5 characters that you would associate with TV news anchors.

Everything I have seen is very casual. Suits for guys, dresses and suites for ladies is what I'm thinking of. News anchors have to be taken more seriously by viewers, it's hard to take casually dressed people serious. Flip flops and tank tops won't fill the need.


I am also waiting for the clothing templates for G5. I have been told that they will become available in the first quarter of next year.
By animagic - 13 Years Ago
The 3rd party developers provide a lot of choice, also in more conservative clothing. And G5 clothing is being brought out as we speak. I bought a nice set of dresses and I have also seen a few collections of men's suits. So if you want to go modest you can. Once G5 CloneCloth is released you can have a stab at it yourself, maybe even start your own line!

BTW, I don't agree with some of the things brought up here, but I don't want to start a debate.

By JasonWynngard - 13 Years Ago
animagic (12/3/2011)
The 3rd party developers provide a lot of choice, also in more conservative clothing. And G5 clothing is being brought out as we speak. I bought a nice set ofdresses and I have also seen a few collections of men's suits. So if you want to go modest you can. Once G5 CloneCloth is released you can havea stab at it yourself, maybe even start your own line!

BTW, I don't agree with some of the things brought up here, but I don't want to start a debate.


What is said above is probably true. I haven't checked out a lot for G5 characters (yet) but there's a reason for that. I have no time for more delays in my work, I need to be able to begin and progress immediately. For me the problem has been third part6y items seem to install in locations the program doesn't automatically find them unless I spend time tweaking and directing paths. Even then iClone seems at times to forget where they are so I have to re-do or use Windows search to find and use them. Also parts like cuffs gloves, even pieces of dresses or coats don't all seem to be in one place and fits onto the character as readily as RL native stuff. This is not a put down on the 3rd party developers who I think do a very good job by and large. It's just a fact and my lack of patience or tolerance due to frequent delays I've experienced. That goes all the way back to now abandoned efforts to use Poser and DAZ runtime folder mess before realizing iClone installed and was work-ready as opposed to my having to fight the software to do basic things. So now, I have practically no patience for anything that delays my ability to just get work done. I simply don't have time to bronco ride, bull ride, calf rope or other rodeo stunts with software before I can use it.

I have some third party clothing on my computer and when I can use it without hunting it down, LOVE IT! If it would just install the way native RL content did, I'd be a better customer that's for sure. But sometimes a purchase does and sometimes a purchase doesn't and I have no more time for guess work or gambling on which is which. The fault may be entirely mine and not the developers but I only know that RL native content doesn't challenge me this way so . . . .
By animagic - 13 Years Ago
Well I agree that using the G3 CloneCloth in combination with 3rd party stuff is kind of a challenge, because it is delivered as materials, which you do have to chase down and know which one to apply to which CloneCloth part. Since CloneCloth is a prerequisite, DRM does not allow providing the actual clothing, which would be easier. Alley did a good tutorial about how to set it up, but that does take some time and may not be feasible when you are in a hurry.

G5 clothing is based on the standard Chuck and Gwyn so it can be delivered as complete characters. They are placed in the root template directory and are thus easy to find.

By animagic - 13 Years Ago
Here is an example of what you can do with G5 clothing that is already available (Mike A's in this case). We see a few politicians and a staffer. Very proper, I think.

You can edit the textures (like I did for the gentlemen) to "suit" your needs.

The faces were done using the basic face mapping in iClone 5.

By Paumanok West - 13 Years Ago
animagic (12/5/2011)
Here is an example of what you can do with G5 clothing that is already available (Mike A's in this case). We see a few politicians and a staffer. Very proper, I think.

You can edit the textures (like I did for the gentlemen) to "suit" your needs.

The faces were done using the basic face mapping in iClone 5.


Knowing how politics work in the real world, the sheer realism of these characters is very forbidding and scary. Ermm

(Different from "Chuck"--who always reminds me of a lone Colorado gun-nut.)

PLEASE just don't let these guys actually run for office! Hehe
By animagic - 13 Years Ago
Thanks, Pau... Well, we will see... My neighbor approached my with a script idea in which those two will play a role...

And, yeah, there is something wrong with Chuck... It's one of the less fortunately RL creations. He reminds me of one of the early Poser male characters who had a somewhat perplexed expression. 

By JasonWynngard - 13 Years Ago
animagic, the G5 samples you showed look very nice. I like them, and probably will end up getting them. When I said more conservative clothing, I didn't mean just things like your sample. But more clothing for various characters that aren't suggestive like low waist pants showing a girl's thongs or so much leg and cleavage. The clothing doesn't have to be suits. Just enough variation so teachers don't have to do without on account of being unable to use what's available.

I once worked in a western town that was a sort of anything goes place. I had female college students sit in the back of the room who apparently didn't know about the existence of panties or proper sitting behavior for a "lady." Nonetheless, even there mishaps of teachers dumb enough to be lured showed the wisdom of avoiding anything that was, well, unprofessional in the slightest degree. So when I and I suspect certain others ask for more conservative clothing choices, this is what we mean. So again, doesn't have to mean sardine wrapping a character in bureaucratic bindings or CIA cocoons. Hehe However, they seem to fit right up with what domineaux was asking for, and like I said, look very good.
By animagic - 13 Years Ago
Thanks, Jason. Hmm, sound like a wild school, indeed. I live in the Washington DC area and on the surface everything looks very proper... Ermm

My wife is a teacher and I once did an animation in Poser of a children's story. I was faced with a similar challenge to make the women look sufficienly modest as it had to be appropriate for young children.   

By Peter (RL) - 13 Years Ago
Paumanok West (12/5/2011)

(Different from "Chuck"--who always reminds me of a lone Colorado gun-nut.)

Chuck just shed a tear when he saw that comment. Harsh. BigGrin

By rampart - 13 Years Ago
animagic

RE: Post #104953

Do you know where to find information to create faces like that. They are very realistic.

I found the Apparition G5 apparel, and it looks good.





By animagic - 13 Years Ago
rampart, thanks for your interest!

The faces are all done using the built-in face mapping of iClone 5. The woman's head is actually available as freebie in my store (Carla G5 at http://city.reallusion.com/store/animagic).

The face mapping procedure hasn't changed much in iClone, and there is a video tutorial somewhere. But I'll tell you what I do.

To design a face, I start out with the highest resolution image I can find of a front view, even though the final resolution will often be lower. The two gentlemen are politicians, so there were plenty of photos, but being politicians, they usually smile. This is a problem. So I had to edit the image to close the mouth.

I then import the image into iClone's face mapping tool. It would be nice if RL would make the window a bit bigger, but there is the zoom option. 

In the tool you first crop the photo: above the hair line, outside left and right ears, below the chin. 

Next you fit the outline of the head to the photo. First select Male or Female as appropriate, and then resize and reshape the outline so that the eyes and the mouth fit as best as possible. The outline will usually extend above the hair line; this is OK (the hair is actually in the way, so you could try and create a bold head in your graphics program first).

In the next step you will reorient the head to get the best line-up with the photo. This will not be perfect yet, as the mouth may not be quite horizontal.

Next you do your detailed mapping of various parts of the face. First you can use the mirror option the get the main adjustments right, then you can work on details such as the eyes. Here zooming in is very useful. If you have a side view that shows the ear, you can use that to further refine the head. But it is no absolute neccesity.

You're done. iClone will ask you to save the head.

At this point there are various ways to further refine your head; for example by using the head shape tools or by clicking the Detail button which opens a window where you can do even further adjustments. I use that often the better close the mouth or to reshape the eyes.

I'll also go back to the original photo to see if the overal shape and proportions are reasonable. Especially note assymetries (also when mapping a face). Most faces, even pretty ones, are not completely symmetric.

The resolution of the face textures has improved in iClone 5, but for higher resolution textures an external program need to be used. I don't have that so I make do. In some cases, you can improve parts of the face texture in a graphics editor by making use of the original photo.

I hope this helps.

By CaseClosed - 9 Years Ago
It's 4 years later, and I just now got into iClone, with iClone 6. Clothing is a huge aspect of creating a character, and I am having trouble finding clothing for G5 characters. I can't find these suits you are showing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I bought the G3 collection believing I could use it on my G5 characters. I need my money back, or I need direction on how to make these clothes work. What is the real difference between G5 characters and G3 characters anyway? Is there a quality jump I'm assuming?

I need to move forward on this movie, and right now, clothes are holding me back in a big way.

Again, any help or direction would be greatly appreciated!
By CaseClosed - 9 Years Ago
I found these, which are not bad:
http://www.reallusion.com/ContentStore/csproduct.aspx?contentid=AIC500DIENU012020120327001

I need a open flannel shirt, and a suit where the jacket comes off separately, and the tie can be animated.

Are these possible? Thank you in advance!
By colour - 9 Years Ago
I bought the G3 collection believing I could use it on my G5 characters. I need my money back, or I need direction on how to make these clothes work. What is the real difference between G5 characters and G3 characters anyway? Is there a quality jump I'm assuming?


You can't exchange Character Clothing between different Character Versions.

I think there's  a Bonus Download of G3 Characters. Your A/C / History / iC5 / Bonus & Upgrade, or whatever. If yes - Use those G3 Characters, then you can use your G3 clothing collection.
By CaseClosed - 9 Years Ago
I've already created G5 characters, and have no interest in G3 characters. There's definitely a big difference in quality. 
By colour - 9 Years Ago
bbvb17 (7/17/2015)
I've already created G5 characters, and have no interest in G3 characters. There's definitely a big difference in quality. 

You could try using G3 Characters & swapping their heads with G5 Character  heads. You can use Character Body Proportions Tool, to match those of your G5 Characters. I've done it many times. See Screenshot. Chuck G5 Head on Trey G3 Body. Chuck's head is bald. So, https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/f8e8e91c-bf86-48ac-8430-7fcd.jpg applied Chuck's hair. Only a rough scaling & positioning in Pic.

Otherwise; it's get a refund  for G3 clothing pack & purchse G5 Clothing.

By animagic - 9 Years Ago
I agree with getting a refund.

Did you check the Marketplace: http://city.reallusion.com/marketplace.aspx? Many options there as well and you can often buy individual pieces. One thing to be aware of is that many of these require certain base content, but that is clearly indicated.

If you plan to do a lot with clothing, it may be useful to look into getting iClone 5 CloneCloth. Items of clothing are often based on CloneCloth. However, if you have iClone 6, you may want to wait with investing too much at this time as new options for clothing will be coming, I believe. That said, G5 characters work fine in iClone 6 and there are more clothing options available for them