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Yes that can be as well , but the beta suddenly not opening and a green screen is kind of pain if I would use that method. So this update is really awesome for creators 
I am sorry to hear about that, could you help me to record a video for me. 
I will help you to clear this problem.
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I usually use layered image sequences from CTA when adding effects in HitFilm, so this new update was very exciting! I did a test of a small segment of a scene from one of my films to see how all of the new features work. First I rendered the scene directly out of CTA:


Then I used some of the new features, rendering groups of layers isolated with the new selection tool as .mov files and uploading to HitFilm for post production effects. I LOVE the "Isolate Selection" tool - works great and saves me from clicking/unclicking massive numbers of files. Using the .mov files as opposed to image sequences not only saves HUGELY on storage space (762 MB as opposed to 1.69 GB for the image sequences for this particular project!) but makes it a snap to load them into HitFilm as it's just a matter of selecting all the .mov files and loading them all at the same time. Using image sequences you have to load each sequence separately. There are a few problems, however, which I'll show with the following two videos.

First, here is the version rendered out of HitFilm using the .mov files:
  
You will notice lots of striation and pixellation  on the .mov files, particularly the front hair. This may not be completely visible in these unlisted YouTube versions (they will be when making them fullscreen), but is VERY visible when viewing the original file on my PC and would be unusable for a film destined for festivals or other streaming venues.

When I did the exact same segment and same effects (actually copied/pasted the effects so they are EXACTLY the same) but using image sequences instead I don't get the same problems:


All of these videos were final-rendered with exactly the same settings. I think it's a problem with the quality/size of the .mov files. These were rendered with the highest available settings in CTA. I realize if the quality were increased the size of the files would approach that of image sequences, but the result would still be so much easier to use when loading into an editor that it would be worth it. 

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That water droplet effect on the camera lens is fantastic!

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apyorick1 (4/13/2021)
I usually use layered image sequences from CTA when adding effects in HitFilm, so this new update was very exciting! I did a test of a small segment of a scene from one of my films to see how all of the new features work. First I rendered the scene directly out of CTA:


Then I used some of the new features, rendering groups of layers isolated with the new selection tool as .mov files and uploading to HitFilm for post production effects. I LOVE the "Isolate Selection" tool - works great and saves me from clicking/unclicking massive numbers of files. Using the .mov files as opposed to image sequences not only saves HUGELY on storage space (762 MB as opposed to 1.69 GB for the image sequences for this particular project!) but makes it a snap to load them into HitFilm as it's just a matter of selecting all the .mov files and loading them all at the same time. Using image sequences you have to load each sequence separately. There are a few problems, however, which I'll show with the following two videos.

First, here is the version rendered out of HitFilm using the .mov files:
  
You will notice lots of striation and pixellation  on the .mov files, particularly the front hair. This may not be completely visible in these unlisted YouTube versions (they will be when making them fullscreen), but is VERY visible when viewing the original file on my PC and would be unusable for a film destined for festivals or other streaming venues.

When I did the exact same segment and same effects (actually copied/pasted the effects so they are EXACTLY the same) but using image sequences instead I don't get the same problems:


All of these videos were final-rendered with exactly the same settings. I think it's a problem with the quality/size of the .mov files. These were rendered with the highest available settings in CTA. I realize if the quality were increased the size of the files would approach that of image sequences, but the result would still be so much easier to use when loading into an editor that it would be worth it. 



Awesome, thank you for your testing.
Regarding the issue of the striation and pixelation on the .mov files,
Due to .mov will compress the image source, you can try to reduce the export resolution or increase the image source resolution more heigh. 
The png sequence does not do compress the image source, so you will found the video quality is different. 
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and here we go again after problem was fixed another test 


and here I added some bluer effects when he flies 



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Did some more tests with the .mov capabilities as this feature will be a game-changer for me. I created a very simple project with four different resolutions of the main feature and simple movement to see how it affects the .mov files.

Here is the original render out of CTA4:


I will change the resolution of the trombone and save as a .mov file to be loaded into HitFilm for effects (the notes were also saved as a .mov file).
(As in my last test, the use of the "Isolate Selection" feature made things a lot easier and faster.)

You will note the pixellation problem in the areas indicated on this still:

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/b2214bbd-c277-4566-ab7f-9dea.jpg

Here is the first render with the trombone at high resolution (2600 x 2863). (All trombone assets will be 300 DPI).


If you look carefully at the areas I indicated, there is still pixellation, even with an asset of this high resolution.

Next, at 1400 x 1542:


900 x 991:


And 500 x 551:


You will notice that the pixellation increases as the resolution of the asset decreases (which is to be expected); but even at the highest resolution (the original resolution of the asset) there is still a problem.
Any suggestions are most welcome!
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here is 5 videos' with 5 different  effects 
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apyorick1 (4/18/2021)
Did some more tests with the .mov capabilities as this feature will be a game-changer for me. I created a very simple project with four different resolutions of the main feature and simple movement to see how it affects the .mov files.

Here is the original render out of CTA4:


I will change the resolution of the trombone and save as a .mov file to be loaded into HitFilm for effects (the notes were also saved as a .mov file).
(As in my last test, the use of the "Isolate Selection" feature made things a lot easier and faster.)

You will note the pixellation problem in the areas indicated on this still:

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/b2214bbd-c277-4566-ab7f-9dea.jpg

Here is the first render with the trombone at high resolution (2600 x 2863). (All trombone assets will be 300 DPI).


If you look carefully at the areas I indicated, there is still pixellation, even with an asset of this high resolution.

Next, at 1400 x 1542:


900 x 991:


And 500 x 551:


You will notice that the pixellation increases as the resolution of the asset decreases (which is to be expected); but even at the highest resolution (the original resolution of the asset) there is still a problem.
Any suggestions are most welcome!


Could you provide this project to me? 
I would like to further investigate.
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Hi, Kyle!
I can send you the project later today or tomorrow...I've been dealing with a family medical situation (nothing too serious but my attention has been on that) so I haven't been at my studio computer. Will get back to you.



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