Indeed, you are right. I was thinking about 'Non-Human Characters' actualy ( whose can be human nonetheless )

I'm not interrested in non-standard character. Either standard to benefit of all the standard features, or non-humain to have no limitation.

Cheers,
Guy.

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Non standard characters have little interest to me I need lipsync....
I would like to see clonebone been able to be applied to a Tpose mesh simple !



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The Tribeman is not a completely custom character mesh. The tribeman is an iClone Standard Character Template Mesh that was exported to Zbrush, sculped and textured http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKKfyFea-XY, then reimported.

Then I'm guessing, mapping (normal mapping I assume) was used to project the detail, sculpted in zbrush onto the altered (zbrush sculpted by pushing points) Standard iClone Character Mesh. I say this because iClone was not designed to support the high poly sculps that come out of zbrush, it is a real time product.

The point is that pulling and pushing of points does not change the vertex/poly count and seam placement, numbering, etc. of the iClone Standard Character Template. This is why the Tribeman can exchange body parts with native iClone Characters. He is one. His poly count, seams, vertex numbering have not changed.

I am concerned with using custom meshes built from scratch not altering an iClone Standard Character Template Mesh.

Which is why it should be possible for people to use their own totally custom built-from-scratch meshes with all the features of iClone, including facial and lip syn animation. As it stands now, you can ONLY use iClone's head mesh if you want to use facial animation in iClone. AFAIK, you can not use your built-from-scratch head meshes with iClone's facial animation or lip sync.

Hey qdai,

It seems you are so sure that "it's not possible" that you have decided that "it's not possible".

Well, despite what you think, it's possible. Now, if you don't want to listen, I have no problem with it, you will just miss the opportunity to do what you want because you just believe so hardly that it is simply not possible.

Again, polycount/order/indexes have nothing to do with the fact that a mesh can be 'adopted' by iClone as a 'Standard Character'. ( Take a look at the Firefighter for instance ).

What is important, is the RL bone structure and the connection sets.

Aside from that, and again, we still have to solve the FBX problem.

But with a proper generated FBX file, any 'custom', 'own', 'personal' character can be made and recognized as a 'Standard Character'.

I guess the only way for you to 'believe' that is to show you an exemple.

Right. Let me solve the FBX problem first

Cheers,
Guy.

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guy rabiller | GOETZIWOOD STUDIOS
"N.O.E." (Nations Of Earth) Sci-Fi TV Show, Showrunner.

Ok, I went back and did some more in-depth research. In one respect you are right. It is possible to model a character (minus the head) from scratch and have it work with the native iClone exchangeable body parts. See the article, Reallusion Developer Series Creating and Exporting Characters, for iClone provided in the hyperlink below by Peter Edwards:



However, there is a caveat. Unless you use iClone's Standard Character Head Mesh, the character you create will not be a Standard iClone character. And it will not be able to use iClone's facial and lip sync animation. If you go to the link above, and pull up the pdf of the article and scroll to pages 5, 6 and 10, it clearly states that the head/Face is the only body part that can not be "explicitly modeled"...you must use the Standard iClone head mesh.



If you go to pages 12-14+ of the article, it explains that, "There must be a specific number of vertices and edges that make up the border between any two body parts." Poly count and vertices do matter, at least at the seams.



I doubt the fbx file is the problem. The mesh itself, if it is totally custom, must follow certain poly/vertex rules, especially at the seams, to create a Standard character. And, if I understand the article correctly, if you don't use iClone's head mesh, your character will not be a Standard iClone character capable of using the facial and lip sync animation features of iClone.

Qdai,

you are totally right. The fbx is not a problem at all. Reallusion made a very complex head and face mesh to make it possible to let the standard character talk. De polycount from the facemesh can not be changed(iclone software checks this by loading the facemesh), you only can reshape it.

There is only one trick i know to go arround this fact and yes you can use your own face mesh by tricking the iclone software. (see some of my previous videos)

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And as i said i you can make totally different standard characters by tricking the iclone exporter. But you can not do this with the FBX file. The provided fbx files have head and faces wich match exactly the Iclone needs and format. You are not be able(and ir eally mean it is inpossible) to make a new standard character with a different head then with the RL headbone, cavity and mesh. There are tricks to do it but not with the fbx exporter.

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I'd love to! Where?

So, you must use the Developer iClone 3ds Max plugin instead of 3dXchange?