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This thread will be periodically edited and updated. New tricks will be inserted at the top of the thread—which means the thread is upside-down! Fun!

Texture Edits

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/40a6d515-9d3e-4142-a7e5-3c2b.png

If you are using Daz and you want your characters to look professional, you had better come to grips with editing textures, friends...because every texture I've seen is flawed. Maybe they need to be blurry so that morph distortion goes unnoticed, I don't know, but here's a before and after to help you understand...

Note: The face on the right has CC Base AO & Roughness maps applied, Base Color map's Brightness decreased, Game Eyes with decreased Sclera Brightness, and some facial morphs applied.

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/b94282f9-6d8d-4571-9fd0-7b40.png

Please note I do not use 4K for anything; for performance reasons and total lack of textures at a quality level deserving of 4K. These details are retained when downsized to 2K. There are a couple ways to do sharpening with good results. The fast and easy way is to use Smart Sharpen, which I covered earlier...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/8c181521-e7d1-41dc-956b-f40f.png

You can apply the filter a few times until you get the result you want. If parts of the texture are already sharp and others blurry (a common case with the lips), use the Reduce Noise slider (no more than 10%).

The other way is to use the Sharpen Tool to manually "paint" your sharpening—preferably on another layer so you can erase or tune the effect opacity. This is more work, but can produce a better result. You could even use a giant brush to sharpen the whole texture and then erase the parts that get overdone.

Makeup Overlay

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/30bda4db-e5c1-4d57-b04e-5a87.png

Make a new layer, set it to Overlay, use the default round brush at 0% hardness, ~20% flow & opacity, and a large size ~150-300px for a couple red splotches on the cheeks. Adjust the layer opacity if you overdid it, or use an eraser with similar settings. Decrease the brush size for the nose and lips. Very easy, potentially just a few clicks and no actual painting if you get the brush settings just right.

Amplify Normals

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/4ac61594-d9c7-42c0-b229-5352.png

Besides blurry textures, a common problem with Daz is weak Normals. This is easy to fix. You can multiply the effects by making a duplicate layer set to Overlay, then Adjustments > Levels > Channel: Blue > Output Levels: change from 255 to 127. And, boom, your Normal strength is doubled. Erase parts that got overdone, or lower the opacity. Or you can duplicate the layer again to amplify further.

Iray Tonemapping

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/e0393ab9-4b79-46a0-84dd-1213.png

The Iray information can be found in this post on page 2 of this thread.

Get Rid Of "Failed To Load Character: No Suitable Setup Profile Found" Error For Good

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Hooded Cloaks & Troublesome Clothing

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There is a Cloak profile for Cloth, but using Cloth will cause the mesh to warp when changing pose. I have had better luck getting these to (sort of) work as Accessories. The trick is to pick the right parent bone in the "Attach" section.of the first tab in the Modify panel. For a male character, I found it best to parent the cloak to CC_Base_Teeth01. Seriously. For a female character, CC_Base_NeckTwist02 turned out to work better. The result is not great, but it is better than nothing...if you are hell-bent on making a hooded cloak kind-of work, you can cycle through poses and sculpt the heck out of the mesh to resolve much of the poke-through...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/3e345b9f-184a-4e56-94a8-0456.jpg

This requires quite a bit of practice to get right...I spent some hours being mesmerized by the Smooth Sculpt tool but, as a result of this effort, I am now in full command of all aspects of sculpting in CC3—it was worth the effort for that reason alone.

Basic Sculpting Techniques

If you haven't tried any sculpting tools in CC3, you are seriously missing out on some of the best features. Try the Smooth tool out right away. It is simply magic; it can repair a trashed mesh like the cloak shown in the previous image in no time. Another technique you absolutely must try is the Soft Selection in the Modify > Edit Mesh first tab (Vertex)...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/56c05b1c-3560-4a6e-a3c0-7fa8.jpg

You just click a single point and then you can use the Transform (hotkey "W"), Rotate ("E"), and Scale ("R") toolbar items to reshape and repair your meshes. Once you have these basic sculpting techniques down, you can use them to achieve ~95% (occassionally even 99%) Polygon Reduction results, whereas you'd normally run against limits at around ~70% reduction. Try out selective scaling as well...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/0734f893-ab5f-49d1-90d0-dec9.jpg

Fixing Bad Intersections

Boots, the fingers of gloves, capes, etc. must not intersect. Mustaches must not droop over the upper lip. Apply corrective morphs prior to export to solve this problem. Always check your gloves after Transformer by applying a pose to spread the fingers. Check mustaches by opening the mouth...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/a00e7297-1996-41b4-a1d7-ef56.jpg

It is generally a good idea to use the base Genesis 1/2/3/8 models to export clothing instead of a custom character. The Genesis 2 Male is the exception, requiring minor corrections shown above. Exporting as OBJ and using the menu Create > Accessory option can often get around these problems.

Weld Vertices

Modify > Weld Vertices; this does not work at all like you'd expect. It is not going to help you repair items such as this...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/17011aba-d5da-464d-94b0-0e83.jpg

What it does is prevent this type of problem occuring in the first place if you run it as soon as you import new clothing, before doing anything else. You should get into the habit of running it after every Daz import. Do it for each item individually.

Boosting Texture Quality

As far as tricks go, I consider this next one to be one to be a great secret. It seems simple, but it can be a total game-changer.

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/f2c2f63d-49b1-44f9-a01c-c7cb.jpg

This can make 1K textures look very close to 2K. I am using this on almost every texture in Unity to gain a 50% or greater performance increase (by eliminating 90% of 2K textures and using 1K instead—but there are many times when you want just the Diffuse (or Normal) at 2K, and CC3 may be one such case). I am not exaggerating about the performance gain. Take 15 minutes to teach yourself how to create a Photoshop action to automatically do the following: 1: Resize 50%. 2: Smart Sharpen with the settings shown in the image (actually ~50% is more accurate than the 60% shown in the image—the extra sharpness is just a personal preference). 3: Save. 4: Close. You can automatically treat hundreds of textures in a few minutes if you so desire. This trick should also cut your render times down by more than 50%.

The general rule is that if you reduce a texture size by 50%, it needs to be Smart Sharpened. Also, I don't trust any other program than Photoshop to resize my textures while retaining quality.

Smoothing Out Transformer Errors

I had this bright idea for a way to add more detail to the CC3 mesh...we know that Daz HD morphs won't export, but there are some non-HD detail morphs that will. When I say detail morphs, I'm talking about things like muscle definition, or aging morphs, or forehead wrinkles. So, I gave that a go and it really did not turn out well (a few of them did work out ok, so you have to experiment). Here's what happened, and how I fixed it...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/496ef289-2150-4290-b410-308c.jpg

I use this technique all the time. Basically, instead of using Push/Pull, all you do is Smooth things down and then use your morphs to rebuild and reshape. This is so fast and easy, anyone can do it. It does not require artistic talent. You can even Smooth out both breasts at the same time with Mirror X. After this experience, I will spend less time working on details in Daz. You'll see why in a moment...

Detail Morphs in CC3

It seems the CC Essential Morphs & Skin pack received a major stealth update and truly lives up to its name—at least, I certainly don't recall having all these detail morphs before...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/bb5461c7-8b4c-4047-9213-9638.jpg

This really saved the day for me. All those morphs I was hoping (and failing) to get from Daz were right there in CC3. There are more detail morphs than shown in the image. I am hoping we can get even more of these in the future—maybe even a pack focused entirely on these—because it can totally substitute for a great deal of manual sculpting work.

Adding Post Effects


Before adding any Post Effects, you should know how to restore the default IBL when you want to get things back to normal. It is located here...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/00b47d97-727f-4acf-85a6-bb1b.jpg

When you've finished working on a character, you can add some impressive eye-candy in just a few clicks. Please note that the Steps 1-3 in the following image are just a recommended starting point—the other settings have good effects too!

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/780e30dc-6106-4e41-bdb4-e4ac.jpg

LUT's can be stacked for an interesting effect, as shown in the second image which has 3 LUT's applied. Applying Post Effects may automatically turn on effects like HDR, and may adjust your Shadows setting from 512 to 2K, and activate Global Illumination. This can impact your performance, so be sure to reset these effects when you are done. You can find them all in 4 tabs at the top of the Visual window. Also remember to delete the light from Step 2, which you will find in the Scene window. Additionally, you may find Ambient Occlusion has become deactivated—remember to reactivate it.

Adding CC_Base Maps to Daz Characters

I've got just the thing to boost your workflow. Here's a trick I shared in my previous thread, Scyra's Exotic Tricks and Traps, but now it's even better than before...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/adf72d71-a178-4b66-84ac-252d.jpg

As noted previously, Daz Normal Maps tend to either be of low quality or absent entirely. Fortunately, you've got a great starter set of Normals and AO and Roughness maps that come with the CC_Base male & female models—and they look totally natural on your Daz characters. Best of all, they can be simply dragged & dropped, unlike Daz maps that must go through the Transformer process, requiring you to fill out the .INI Texture Profile. In fact, I plan to eliminate that process from my workflow altogether by collecting and recycling the few Daz Normals worth having, and using the CC_Base AO & Roughness maps on everything.

After saving out the CC_Base maps, one thing you should keep in mind is that the Roughness map will need to be inverted when applied to a Daz character, and its Brightness -15 will be the baseline setting instead of 0. Oh—and there is one other little problem...the eyebrow on the Normal is unlikely to match your Daz skin, but I've fixed that for you (female version only for the moment...). As a treat, you'll find I've attached two files to this post, one with the eyebrow Normal raised higher, the other with eyebrows erased. I am thinking this is ok to share this because it is completely useless to someone who does not own the other maps in the set (they will end up with a nasty neck seam), but if RL disagrees, please feel free to remove!

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/676dd2c9-8356-4a5f-a892-3e1a.jpg

If you want to check your Normals to see if they're worth exporting, here's how you do it...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c36ab8e0-a7b9-4e65-a444-5590.png

First you need to find a map under the Surfaces tab; they're usually found under Template 2, but you'll also find them under Surfaces tab > Surfaces. Click on the map and choose Browse... then copy the location and open it outside of Daz to inspect the maps. We've already established that the CC_Base Normals are good, so we can use that as a basis for comparison...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/31041f8f-05eb-4d47-843c-d5ab.jpg

As far as Daz Normals go, I've seen worse (by the way, I love this artist, I think she's great), but look at what I'm going to lose if I use this Normal. I'd lose all of the ear detail.

If you have Photoshop, what you can do in this case is use the CC Base Normal ear details instead. Ensure the maps are the same size. then use Modify > Material > Texture Settings > Launch Texture and drag the CC Normal into the document. Select the Rectangular Marquee Tool, right-click > Rasterize Smart Object, then make a rectangular selection around the ear, hold the Shift key, and do the other ear, then Select > Inverse (Shift+ Ctrl+ I) and Delete.

Retaining Details

Because Daz high resolution morphs won't export, the first thing I always do when working on a new character is set the Resolution Level to Base. This results in a loss of some detail, but it can be trivial to regain most of that detail with regular morphs. To be clear, the Base Resolution export is going to happen whether you use this setting or not—this just lets you see what you're going to get. This character had high-res detail on the lips and the tip of the nose. When I changed the resolution to Base, the lips parted. Once, I fixed a similar issue by simply changing the SubDivision Algorithm parameter; didn't work this time. The fix is not as simple as adjusting the Mouth Open morph either—that change makes the jaw and overall facial structure appear diminished. Still, it only took a few minutes to fix this. Here's what I used (and I generally don't buy morphs so you should have most of these):

Mouth Open: -13.4 (must reapply after applying CC3 T-pose)
Jaw Height: -12
Lip Lower Size: 25
Lip Top Peak: 30
Mouth Curves: 15
Mouth Size: 8.5
Nose Tip Round: 18

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/89b16901-36e2-47e8-b442-bcae.jpg

Once you're inside CC3, you may still find some things not to your liking—like, "why are my giant knockers decagon-shaped?" Well, because, that's what Modify > Smooth Mesh > Tessellation (or a bra) is for. This is not an exportable feature, but if your target software or game engine is modern, it should also have this. Some use of CC Essential Morphs and a bit of Edit Mesh > Sculpt (Smooth) was used here...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/592c8e07-9d6b-44dd-8cae-99b1.jpg

Daz Preferences

Perhaps you are new to Daz. I've only been using it a couple months myself, but I've done a lot of reading. It's actually pretty easy program to get used to. You'll definitely want to go to Edit > Preferences and try out these settings. The Display Optimization setting is actually GPU acceleration, and it's disabled by default...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/27aa8c50-8ee1-4756-bf42-6cb1.jpg



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Updated 11/05/19. All new tutorial information will be added to the first post. We can use the rest of the thread to post character concepts that turned out well. Feel free to join in! People may be interested to know what results they can achieve with CC3

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After tinkering a short while (this is not a render)..

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This thread is exactly what i needed.
Some of these informations are englightening to me.
Thank you so much. Please keep up the great work.




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Hi.

Very nice tutorial. These tricks help a lot.

Do you have any tips to this kind of cloth, https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-afghan-burqa-for-genesis-8-females? I can't bring to CC3 and I'm going crazy with this. Now I think it was a complete waste of money.
The mesh is completely messed up and the skin weights are terrible :-(.

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Hey guys, I'm glad you are enjoying it. For a couple weeks it seemed like it was just me and my cricket friends.

facr73: Update: I have something easy for you to try. The product page indicates that it is driven entirely by poses and morphs, and assuming the morphs are named as the product page states, try adding the Morph Export rules as I've shown here...

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/bf98aeb1-84ab-49f5-b742-1a2e.jpg

I hope you'll allow my little joke with the Templar. Oddly enough, it really was the closest thing to a burqa I had available to test...



That one is going to be just like the hooded cloaks. You are correct that it is a problem with the skin weighting. Mike Kelley has a video that helps with this...

In the video he mentions something like he doesn't mess with it if the problem is too extreme, and the burqa will be a very difficult problem, I can tell. What you need to do depends on your destination software. If you are going to iClone, maybe something can be done with 3DCoat like Mike shows in this video...

If you are going to a game engine like Unity, you can use the method I use with the hooded cloak, which is to import it as an accessory (or just convert and reset to original shape), and set the parent bone to CC_Base_NeckTwist02. Then, in the case of Unity you'd use the Dynamic Bone asset instead of cloth weighting—in any case, the answer is to just avoid CC3's skin weighting for this type of clothing and tackle that problem in your destination software. If you try to do what I did with the cloaks, you can get it looking ok with walking animations, but that's about it; spreading the arms is just not going to look right unless it can be done with imported Daz morphs (which then means you can't use Polygon Reduction).

Maybe someone else can show us how to fix this a better way in CC3...



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Hi.

I've tried with morphs and other stuff but this cloth is really tricky. I hope someday someone has a turorial on this. For now I give up.

And many thanks for your help and time looking into this.
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You are welcome, although it is too bad we couldn't find a good solution. I also had trouble with this item...

https://www.daz3d.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/i/wip_dforce-wizard-lore-outfit_main.jpg

It is worth warning beginners that this type of draped garment can be very tricky to deal with. Thank you for your input.



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Thank you for taking you're time in helping and sharing the knowledge.  Much appreciated.  
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Your AO trick helped a bit but I also would love a normal or bump map for the face. For some reason, the one from Daz is making her face look off (both normal and bump do the same thing). Have you had this issue?

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So actually figured out that it was placing the lip cracks on the nose hint the weird crackle. The problemhttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/c0fb904f-4a10-45ea-a4b6-7765.png is fixed now when I made some edits to it in photoshop. I'm still wondering though does CC3 down convert from the amazing realistic IRay previews that Daz spits out? My dream is to have these characters look as realistic as possible with the easy rigging of CC3 so if anyone out there has made anything look close to human vs game character please lmk how you did it.



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