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charly Rama
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charly Rama
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I understand what do you mean Kimmie, but seeing crowd so static ... I think that with natural motions,I think that it won't distract viewers , but it's already a good work
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Kimmie777
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I don't think you saw my other replies, Charly...
They weren't static in the initial render before we added in the motion and sound for John the Baptist.
They were subtle, but not static.
Apparently iClone shuts down some of the other activity (such as the activity that is in billboards and wind) if it decides it has enough to deal with in the scene.
If you guys saw the rendered video from before the motion and sound was applied to John the Baptist, you would see a VERY significant difference in it all.
It actually makes me question if iClone can even handle this project properly.
We may need to export everything into another program to do the final renders on at least.
To fix it back to the higher activity level on their subtle movements, we would have had to spend a crazy amount of time that we did not have going back and forth with all 19 of them to see at what point of adding more and more motions to them would make it look exactly how I had it with it still being subtle movements.
But all of my non-animator friends totally love it... You guys look for different stuff than they do in it. :-)
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TonyDPrime
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Cool! It would actually be kind of dramatic to have a compromise to the idea of crowd motion, have at the beginning the crowd kind of dithering off, idling and looking around, and then as he speaks they could become more focused on the message. Would draw the audience in. See, now you can leverage what the forum suggests in combination with your vision.
Animators in this forum can attest as well, because we as creators envision a production will be perceived one way, and then the audience watching will remember things different. Just an option, there is no right or wrong in this case. PEACE!
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justaviking
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justaviking
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Kimmie777 (6/19/2019) Apparently iClone shuts down some of the other activity (such as the activity that is in billboards and wind) if it decides it has enough to deal with in the scene.
It actually makes me question if iClone can even handle this project properly.
That shouldn't happen. It is reasonable for it to render more slowly as you add to the scene, but iClone should not decide to drop some animations because the scene is too complex. It's not actually that smart. Very curious. You might want to check some project settings, such as "Quality" and stuff like that.
But all of my non-animator friends totally love it... You guys look for different stuff than they do in it. :-)
Yes, indeed. We see it through the eyes of fellow animators. We are used to being very aware of many of our own flaws, so we easily see them in other people's works. Plus we are used to relying on the unbiased feedback from our friends here. On that note, please do put serious consideration to the "crowd" comments. I understand your thought process, but it is also possible for you to see your desired result, whereas your test audience here sees the actual result. As animators, we sometimes obsess over a minor detail, even though nobody else notices it. Likewise, we can become blind to issues that others see immediately.
Lastly, I want to join the others in saying "CONGRATULATIONS" on an excellent first project. Thank you for sharing it here, and good luck as you go forward in this endeavor.
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TonyDPrime
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Kimmie you are saying a technical thing here- That you (1) had animations that were functional, and then (2) found that they were removed once you added the John The Baptist avatar with speech. Did you perhaps save it as a different version of the scene, or somehow disable or delete something when you added John The Baptist to the timeline? This may be possible too. Did you save multiple versions, ie one that shows the static movement of the crowd from before you added in the main avatar of John-B, that you could go back to?
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Kimmie777
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Done on a professional level, Tony, I envision very similar.
I want crowd reactions (especially at the end of sentences).
Also, the way the whole scene will come in is going to be awesome.
It is going to start as an aerial view of the whole scene panned way out.
There will also be various angles of everything as certain people arrive.
The crowd reactions to stuff like this is very important to me when the wheels get turning.
~ Kimmie
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"Just A Viking": Thank you for ALL of that! :-)
And I really appreciate how real and down to earth you are, by the way.
On the differences from one rendered video to the other, they were both set at matching HD with HQ DOF, etc.
My husband went over them with me more than once before and after.
There really IS quite a difference.
The wind was perfect with one big gust. The people showed more activity.
We noticed the difference when it was in the video editor (a good one that an animator friend on here had recommended to us).
So yeah... iClone really did do that.
But there were 20 tracks playing and sound and wind and water and full greenery. I guess it couldn't handle it all.
~ Kimmie
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Kimmie777
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The billboards were only loaded once, Tony. There are no 2nd scenes with different billboards in them.
And I double-checked out wind settings before rendering, just to make sure.
(Not that I would have even changed the settings, but I have seen iClone do some weird things.)
Although each billboard still has motion and the wind is still there (if you really look carefully for it), iClone supressed it all, for lack of a better wording here.
Now instead of it being really notice-able, you have to really watch and try to see the crowd people moving and the wind blowing.
What once looked perfect to us is now barely there.
~ Kimmie
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I just went onto YouTube and viewed it from there.
Even the most dramatic crowd motions are suppressed.
The peasant guy to the right of the screen - that was a very impacting piece when it rendered before the 20th motion track and audio was put in.
And even the peasant guy's motion track is very, very light. (That one was not light in the scene before at all.)
We are going to need to export the future scenes into something else (and also touch up that scene in the professional version of it).
Can anyone on here recommend a program that everything can be exported to that can hold large scenes and stays true to the final render?
We would do the beginnings of it in here and then place all of the pieces of motion and sound into the scenes a bigger program.
Or is that possible to do?
~ Kimmie
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I might be confused. (It happens often.)
Your video editor cannot affect the motions of your characters... unless you have been rendering people indivually and are compositing them in your video editor. If compositing, then I suppose it's possible that some video tracks "froze" and stopped updating.
What do you see when you view the project in iClone? Also, not that it should really matter, but what format are you rendering to from iClone? AVI, WMV, sequence of PNG files?
It sounds like it might be worth pressing "Render" again this evening, and in the morning you can check the results and see if you are still missing some motions.
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