edwood7 (5/12/2019)I'm keen for a clarification on this too.
Hi, according to the Reallusion Content EULA (applying to all models purchased on the Marketplace):
... Renderings must be of your original creation and are restricted from being sold or distributed as either a single image, part of clip-art library, or stock video or image collection.
So this means I can use iClone content for my own movies, my own site, my own videogame for the final user, provided I'm able to market them all on my own, but I can't be hired for any animation job if a company likes my work and wants me to make the next killer intro for its own commercial video, film work or corporate/educational explainer? Please tell me if there's a workaround, i.e. buying an Extended License , because if it is really so this means we'll never be allowed to use this software for a professional purpose, just for our own amusement, which is pointless to me, and we'd better consider moving to Poser or Daz3D. Thank you.
Because we have this restriction against still images AND images sold through image libraries even though a lot of content in the Reallusion store and marketplace is also available at
roughly the same price (or cheaper) at other content libraries - such as CGTrader, Turbosquid, Sketchup and 3D Universe - who DO permit us to sell rendered still shots
(and including via image libraries), provided it is not just a reproduction of the original creator's promo images, and provided that buyers are not able to re-produce the original 3D mesh product by using the still shot (or a set of images) that we sell.
I think Hivewire3D and CreativeMarket.com also permit commercial sales of still shot images (including through image libraries) provided we pay extra for the extended licences. QUESTIONS:
1) does the Reallusion EULA mean that we can't sell images rendered in iClone or CTA - even if we buy the content from other sources who DO provide the full licences to use anywhere?
2) If so, is this because the lighting in iClone is also proprietary content?
3) Are image libraries, such as Dreamstime and Shutterstock considered to be Clip Art Libraries?
I don't think they should be, because:
a) image libraries are just agents, not a buyer who re-sells... because when we post an image on their database, potential buyers can contact us for additional similar images, and because we still need to pay commissions to the image library as our agent on the similar work as well.... so I think the RL EULA needs to be treating us more like landscape or portrait photographers... ie, photographers don't own the trees, land or people but they do need to buy/acquire a licence/permission to sell commercially through an image library... and a billion photographers can take a still shot of the same thing, and yet every single photo is original, because they all use their own equipment, lighting, settings and skills... even when the image is not significantly different to a pic made by the original owner or creator.
and b) Image libraries like Dreamstime and Shutterstock are used by all major magazines, book publishers, newspaper editors and greeting card producers as the source of their stock images. They are also used by many government departments and stocklisted corporations, so restricting that market away from us, is definitely forcing us to use other commercial animation software. EXAMPLE 1:
Many of the Toon Generation characters are already on greeting cards internationally - and those images were purchased through a major image library - and this is possible whenever the characters are purchased directly from 3D Universe, rendered in other commercial software, PROVIDED that the poses and expressions where not already used in the creator's promotional images.... This is something that SHOULD be possible to render in iClone, but can no longer be, since the introduction of this tighter restriction re images and image libraries... and I assume it is because we also use lighting and atmospheres that are unique to iClone? EXAMPLE 2:
3DUniverse's Toon Grandma, and Souchenki's Cartoon Winter Village are both sold in various stores with various licences BUT:
1) we CAN'T render and sell an image of just Toon Gran on a clear background in iClone... however, we CAN in Cinema 4D and the commercial versions of Maya and Blender IF we buy her direct from 3DUniverse at roughly the same price.
2) We CAN'T render and sell an image of just Souchenki's Village in iClone... however we CAN in other commercial software IF we buy it from Turbosquid or Sketchup (and if we also rearrange it a bit so it doesn't look like the promo images.)
3)... and I think this also needs clarification... We CAN use iClone to render and sell the still shot of a SCENE of Toon Gran doing something in the Toon Village PROVIDED we only sell it to a specific client for a specific project who then incorporates it into something else for sale... or if we make that merchandise ourselves...
Anita, aka "Bleetz" the Toon Wrangler @ Tarampa Studios
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