" >>> What geeks (bless their hearts) think is "intuitive" -- in other words, not requiring step-by-step instruction -- is nearly always wrong.
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Regrettably, I find myself agreeing with this statement ....

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I feel that the UI is explained quite excellently in the iClone manual, and would under no circumstances pay for any video that just repeats what anyone can read at their leisure. There is no reasonable requirement to waste time watching a video when the whole UI is so well documented as in the manual - just spend a few moments looking through the "Knowing the Environment" sections, they are also in the PDF version and can be printed out for quick reference reading when required.

One shouldn't forget the extensive list of RL produced free tutorials that are up to date with the latest versions. I do have the purchased iClone "Training Videos" and when I watched how objects were penetrating tables, legs getting buried in chairs etc it was obvious to me that there was very little time invested in ensuring that the product had even a hint of professional animation included - in short, and IMHO, a total waste of money.


Gerry

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Gerry writes:


I think that's a valid point.

I take from this that some people learn very well using a manual.

And others -- such as me -- don't.

(Edit: And I see in the next comment that sonic7 has a similar take & personal preference.)

Gerry - with all due respect - tho I 'perceive' a somewhat passionate and legitimate view of your's on this .... I do feel that for *some* (and I do include myself here), that Visual Learning is 'Key'. I'm not saying that's the case for everyone. I do feel we're all somewhat different creatures with respects to how we each lean. I really sometimes feel somewhat ashamed of my inability to learn from text books - but I AM what I AM.  So in reality, I have to concede the differences in every individual's abilities - though I do *try* to acknowledge our unified goal here of being iClone creators ... I guess I *sort of* know what I'd like to achieve at the end of the day (though I do have my doubts) - and *if* I can leverage 'visual - aids' to achieve an almost 'monkey see - monkey do' approach ---- then so be it ! .... 

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Good points sonic7.

Suggestion: Would it be possible for sonic7 to receive half a dozen random lessons from the course? It would be useful to get his firsthand feedback. Can Alan or Reallusion Support people provide that? 

@prodos --- funny you should mention that --- those very same thoughts were running through my mind though-out late yesterday and today ...
I'd be thoroughly honored if I had the *opportunity* to review Alan's material...

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Reallusion - I have found Alan's training videos on iClone 6 to be comprehensive, and thorough. Having Alan's breakdown by chapters and passages REALLY is a godsend for reference as well as straight up classroom training. Alan has a complete working knowledge of the products and warm style that is worthy of an iClone 7 tutorial series. (& beyond) Kai is good, Alan is a master.
If you have any doubts that it may not sell, I assure it will, and I would buy it in a skinny minute! Alan is your BEST asset.   ~V~

       Val RogueAnanda

Gerry's comment is very valid and that is why I asked the question.  Getting various peoples opinions allows one to make informed decisions.
I personally know colleagues in the industry who cannot watch training videos, they prefer technical manuals and some do not like electronic or on-line manuals even to the extent that they like a physical book and will print out a PDF if there is no hard-copy manual available.
And then of course, I know people who do not like printed or electronic documentation at all and prefer to do all their learning from structured video tutorials.
So, ultimately it comes down to personal preference and under those circumstances a straw pole is always a useful thing to do to get an idea if you are going in the right direction or wasting your time.




Alan M

I will see what I can do, as the co-creator of the course I have reasonable amount of say about what happens with it.  Not to mention the fact that I of course I have the archive of the entire course.  The only issue would be the free assets provided by Reallusion, I would have to negotiate getting access to those as they were provided as a specialist download from the Marketplace. It may be that you would have to live with some watermarking if I provided them directly to you.



Alan M

I'd still be honored - watermarks and all ... I thank you for your consideration Alan ...

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