I think we ALL want to make better movies. I think each of us has different ideas of what that entails. There isn't a lot of discussion about individual clips and their successes and failures in storytelling -- and maybe there should be. Kindly and constructively of course. Unfortunately, storytelling comes largely from our own minds, and as such, we can't really beg for ourselves to be feature-upgraded. But our storytelling tool is iclone. As a commercial product, we should expect it to grow and change and improve. I think the forums give us a place to give our input on the direction of those changes.

RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb

Well of-course there's already 'bucket-loads' of work to do for the one-man show, so I personally don't see anything wrong with trying for a 'complete' solution within iClone - there's no medals handed out for using multiple programs. I guess really though - it's mostly a matter of what you feel comfortable with.
If you're comfortable with (read: 'comfortably prepared') to use multiple programs - great! You'd be mad not to ..... But likewise, if you're more comfortable with the single program approach - great too! And in any case, we can all change out approach down the track anyway .....


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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time!   - yikes! ... 

● MSI GT72VR Laptop, i7 7700HQ 4-Core 3.8 GHz 16GB RAM; Nvidia 1070, 8GB Vram ● iClone-7.93 ● 3DXChange Pipeline 7.81 ● CC-3 Pipeline 3.44 ● Live Face ● HeadShot ● Brekel Pro-Body ● Popcorn FX ● iRAY ● Kinect V2 ● DaVinci Resolve17 ● Mixcraft 8.1

Exactly, sonic7! This doesn't need to be an either/or proposition.
To address the assertion that CC3 is aimed at gamedev -- I think that is partially true. Reallusion has identified a key market (Daz content hoarders, of which I am one lol), and delivered a product that acts as an output for game devs, and an input for Dazaholics who want to render real-time animation. I do not think they are necessarily the same person because I believe most Daz content has been purchased without extended licenses. I believe that people who purchase extended licenses are likely already using a full-featured game development tool.
Either way, the initial poster is correct in that Octane 4 is a great rendering engine. There are LOTS of great rendering engines, however, and I think the key to future success for RL as a company will be in making iclone as extensible as possible. CC3 is a canny business move, and it has provided me with a great new tool for making movies.

 Jarret  >>>> " ... I think the key to future success for RL as a company will be in making iclone as extensible as possible. CC3 is a canny business move, and it has provided me with a great new tool for making movies ..." <<<<
I do agree with this ... and I *hope* that Reallusion will do everything in their power to "speed tune" the upcoming iClone iRay. Let's get the indie film-makers up and running - There's potentially a large market that could follow and if it isn't possible with iRay, then  - "whatever it takes" - by way of a realistic renderer would be most welcome ....


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Please be patient with me ..... I don't always 'get it' the first time 'round - not even the 2nd time!   - yikes! ... 

● MSI GT72VR Laptop, i7 7700HQ 4-Core 3.8 GHz 16GB RAM; Nvidia 1070, 8GB Vram ● iClone-7.93 ● 3DXChange Pipeline 7.81 ● CC-3 Pipeline 3.44 ● Live Face ● HeadShot ● Brekel Pro-Body ● Popcorn FX ● iRAY ● Kinect V2 ● DaVinci Resolve17 ● Mixcraft 8.1

Another thing about rendering realism VS _____________.  

 How come some models in the RL store are rendered in UNITY,  not Iclone?  The demo pics were UNITY.

 I didn't catch that before I bought one set - but had to quickly return it.    The Iclone renders were no where near the UNITY   render quality. 

If we're thinking about the same stuff, those artists made the items for Unity first and then just used the same promotional material for the Iclone page.
For the stuff I bought, GI can get you close enough though not exactly as good. Takes a bit more effort in Iclone but usually worth it (and possible) cause of the PBR textures.

I have commented on this in the past, and I think that 3rd Party developers that sell in the Content Store and are among the "Elite Developers" should be obligated to spend some time with iClone and render out their products.

There is a bit more to making an item suitable for iClone than exporting an FBX and converting in 3DXchange.

I have learned my lesson and require that a product has at least PBR textures. But rendering in iClone should be mandatory in all circumstances.

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Not that there seems to be much point given the previous tone of some of this discussion, but I would like to debunk a misconception that those that want to stay within iClone DON'T WANT TO DO THE WORK.  Using something other than the native renderer always involves additional skill and effort to get lighting and shaders right, etc. I believe we part ways here and just have to agree to disagree. But I refuse to be put in a lower-class category just because my pipeline is not half a mile long. That is not the basis for a fruitful discussion.

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RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7
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Ghost Origins

My latest Feature length film created with Iclone.

My IMDB listing
Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb