Iray with iclone, a game changer?

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akuei2	akuei2 Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: Last Year Posts: 110, Visits: 2.4K	TonyDPrime (10/14/2018) animagic (10/14/2018) I'm awaiting a coherent Feedback Tracker entry to vote for. As it is, I don't really understand what's being requested and what is realistically commercially available. We can use Unity, UE4, and Eevee as the starting point for items specifically step by step that could enhance realtime, these are in these 3 engines in one form or another: 1) antialiasing (rounding edges objects and shadows with detail in HD) 2) SSS channels (sub surface lighting effects) 3) volumetric effects (densities to visual environment) 4) progressive light mapping (real time path tracer to bake lighting, bridges live dynamic lighting with baking) 5 ) screen space reflections (so items can reflect off each other) 6) Powerful Shaders- preset templates for different shader types (skin, metals, lights, cloth, liquids, plants, special effects, etc) Imagine if RL said these are coming to iClone next update! Dude, you're drunk ...

wires	wires Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: 3 days ago Posts: 5.7K, Visits: 26.4K	akuei2 (10/14/2018) Dude, you're drunk ... A constructive comment is one thing, but insulting people with gutter statements is another. Gerry System: Win 10 Pro (21H2), Asus X99-E WS, CPU i7-5930K -3,5 GHz, 32 GB DDR4 2666-16 RAM, NVidia GTX 1080 Ti GPU - 11 GB VRAM(Driver Studio-536.99), Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB SSD, 6 TB HD storage.

akuei2	akuei2 Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: Last Year Posts: 110, Visits: 2.4K	wires (10/14/2018) akuei2 (10/14/2018) Dude, you're drunk ... A constructive comment is one thing, but insulting people with gutter statements is another. Nope, what I mean " these guy think too much"。RL won't follow these path currently ( maybe at future ... ). RL had own mystery‘s agenda. Therefore, don't expect too much & disappoint it alone. After that, blame RL again. User only can grope in dark, seeking own pipeline method Edited 6 Years Ago by akuei2

AutoDidact	AutoDidact Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: 53 minutes ago Posts: 1.9K, Visits: 12.1K	akuei2 (10/14/2018) wires (10/14/2018) akuei2 (10/14/2018) Dude, you're drunk ... A constructive comment is one thing, but insulting people with gutter statements is another. Nope, what I mean " these guy think too much"。RL won't follow these path currently ( maybe at future ... ). RL had own mystery‘s agenda. Therefore, don't expect too much & disappoint it alone. After that, blame RL again. User only can grope in dark, seeking own pipeline method One has to consider the cost of developing and implementing a completely new render engine and how much those development costs would add to the retail price of the software. Iclone& even CC3 has a Multi tiered pricing structure that seems well thought out to serve the needs of a user base with diverse end user requirements. Lets be honest, the Iclone internal "render engine" has always been "sub par" compared even to what we had in apps like poser ten years ago. But that is how Iclone was able to be "realtime" in an era where only game engines had this kind of viewport performance. Impementing a new render engine across all versions of Iclone would raise the price signifigantly IMHO. So rather than make Iclone more expensive for everyone..or force feed us one officially supported PAID third party engine that will exclude many users who do not own massive GPU's (Indigo,Iray), Reallusion Also gives us the option of upgrading to 3DX pipeline pro or CC3 pipeline pro with the ability to export motion Data or FBX& Alembic to one of the many external render engines: free (Blender ,Unity,Unreal,Daz 3Delight) or paid (Modo,Lightwave,Octane,Marmoset etc) If you are not already invested in pipeline but want better render options be prepared to pay more in some fashion or another. RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ghost Origins My latest Feature length film created with Iclone. My IMDB listing Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb Edited 6 Years Ago by AutoDidact

akuei2	akuei2 Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: Last Year Posts: 110, Visits: 2.4K	Indeed. Pipeline such a one majority advantage of RL product.

wildstar	wildstar Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: Last Month Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 5.1K	cause that i just use iclone cause its a beast character animation and a complete pipeline to create characters. and for that realllusion deserve congratulattions, iclone today beat softwares for character animation like maya and blender. cause yours simplicity and power. but .. all other things are a mess. the render system is a mess, the light and shadow system is amess..the layer system for screen space effects is a mess and a flick festival. i just dont count with it anymore and pass last 6 months studing unity for my project, iclone + unity = power to little animation studios.

wildstar	wildstar Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: Last Month Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 5.1K	i just dont wait for reallusion anymore cause i undestand , for iclone can be like unity and unreal is today, reallusion need more 2 or 3 years. sad but true

TonyDPrime	TonyDPrime Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: 4 days ago Posts: 3.4K, Visits: 12.4K	Animagic has the right idea (focused, like always), that we might consider coherently organizing a list of what we want for native render and vote on it in FBT. Other than that you will need multi GPU to have Iray as an animation option. Thanks to Gerry for also encouraging a constructive discussion, because there seems to be assumptions thrown around that advancements in the Native renderer will be costly, even if at all possible. But (1) Unity, UE4, and Blender have them, and (2) each of these engines is free. I mean as far as the list I put forth, what else you think you would want, or not want? And I wouldn't expect things are realized tomorrow, but for real, I'll write up the FBT myself!

illusionLAB	illusionLAB Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: 2 Years Ago Posts: 393, Visits: 4.8K	Consider that RL didn't create the PBR engine... but rather licensed the same one that Marmoset and Sketchfab are built upon (Substance Designer + 3D Coat too), the 'realistic' request would be to ask for similar quality and features the other companies have managed - most importantly "better anti-aliasing" on final renders. Let's face it, all the other 'features' on the wish list are pointless if fine details are going to buzz like they do with the current 'super sampling' - nobody will notice how cool your SSS or Volumetric lighting is if your characters and sets are alive with "sawtooth lines buzzing" everywhere.

AutoDidact	AutoDidact Posted 6 Years Ago
Distinguished Member Group: Forum Members Last Active: 53 minutes ago Posts: 1.9K, Visits: 12.1K	[ there seems to be assumptions thrown around that advancements in the Native renderer will be costly, even if at all possible. But (1) Unity, UE4, and Blender have them, and (2) each of these engines is free. Ilf! Reallusion is not using the same business model as Unity,Unreal or Blender Unity and Unreal are using a classic "loss leader" business model by providing a free base platform as means to sell Commercial game assets at their online stores. Daz is doing similar for their still render asset stor. Blender is supported by the Blender foundationand they Do Sell commercial addons for blender. To make use of "free "engine in Unity for rendering your animated stories you will have to either have a real character animation program such as Iclone pro pipeline ,Maya,Max or motionbuilder to export to unity. Or Buy over $300 USD worth of Third party commercial plugins such Umotion ,Puppetmaster & final IK to create Chracter animation in Unity and still not have the complete system we have in Iclone. The only program that has Character motionbuilding & editing tools on the level of Iclone, with a high quality render engine is Maya and Autodesk requires a monthly financial commitment to keep your software functional being subscription only. Most seem happy with the native engine in Iclone My advice for those who are not happy is to upgrade to pipeline and access one of the many external rendering options. RAG DOLL COLLISION ANIMATIONS FOR ICLONE 8 & 7 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ghost Origins My latest Feature length film created with Iclone. My IMDB listing Anabran Abdhul Quarnain - IMDb Edited 6 Years Ago by AutoDidact

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