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Iray with iclone, a game changer?

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I know some of the shortcomings of the irayplug-in such as won't work with water or popcorn and might one day work with speedtree, renders in a very long time compared to iclone now ………….. but I've also seen some of the stuff people have already produced using CC3 and its quite stunning.

Whilst sitting out side my househaving a fag (cigarette) I found myself looking at the reflection in a car windscreen and the shiny red paint on the car and thought that's what I want from iclone.  I'm not unhappy with what I got now in terms of iclones quality but having seen what can de done with simple stills it got me thingthis iray thing might be able to give it to me.

So here briefly my intention and a few questions to see if anyone can shed some light on whether they think it’s possible or not:

I want a TV studio which is just a small room with a desk with a glass centre that reflects the news readers and any videos playing on the walls.  Currently I am using still water to achieve this and it works rather well.  Normally there are only 2 characters and maybe an animal for fun, don’t envisage more than 4 on occasions.  I’ve currently got 3 video  screens as all fancy newsrooms seem to have now a days.

I know water won’t work but will iray be able to reflect like a mirror?

How will iray treat imbedded video?  if it just renders as is I would be happy.

Render times on a high end graphics card, a1080ti or 2080ti?  30 seconds per frame might be OK, less would be better.  Guess Imight be asking how long is a piece of string given numerous variables.

I know guesswork is involved here but today is a dreaming day for me so might as well make the most of it.  If iray didn’t work for me I’d cry for maybe 47.256 seconds and get on with iclone as I got no choice.  If it does work, fuck me, I think that’s real big news, for me anyway.

A few final points as far as I can see iclone only supports one graphics card so there is no advantage in having 2  including using iray?

Got an AMD Ryzen 1700 which is massively out classed by the intel equivalent in terms of single threaded performance but not in multitasking.  Looking at thread usage when rendering for instance the CPU uses many threads, some more than others but only runs at about 10% overall.  Any advantage in getting a better processor especially in terms of single thread function.

Currently using a GTX 1070 which is absolutely fine for what I am doing as real time viewing is generally OK and rendering is speedy.  I will only consider upgrading if I improve my skills so I can produce stuff that I consider “good enough” and can do it quickly. At this point if iray works for me it will be the icing on the cake and as I like sweet things, especially if they are also shiny, which iray promises,falsely or not.

Any useful information will be appreciated.



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I know some of the shortcomings of the irayplug-in such as won't work with water or popcorn and might one day work withspeedtree, renders in a very long time compared to iclone now ………….. but I'vealso seen some of the stuff people have already produced using CC3 and itsquite stunning.

Whilst sitting out side my househaving a fag (cigarette) I found myself looking at the reflection in a carwindscreen and the shiny red paint on the car and thought that's what I wantfrom iclone.  I'm not unhappy with what I got now in terms of iclonesquality but having seen what can de done with simple stills it got me thingthis iray thing might be able to give it to me.

So here briefly my intention and a fewquestions to see if anyone can shed some light on whether they think it’spossible or not:

I want a TV studio which is just a smallroom with a desk with a glass centre that reflects the newsreaders and anyvideos playing on the walls.  Currently Iam using still water to achieve this and it works rather well.  Normally there are only 2 characters andmaybe an animal for fun, don’t envisage more than 4 on occasions.  I’ve currently got 3 video  screens as all fancy newsrooms seem to have now a days.

I know water won’t work but will iray beable to reflect like a mirror?

How will iray treat imbedded video?  if it just rendered it as is I would be happy.

Render times on a high end graphics card, a1080ti or 2080ti?  30 seconds per frame mightbe OK less would be better.  Guess Imight be asking how long is a piece of string given numerous variables.

I know guesswork is involved here but todayis a dreaming day for me so might as well make the most of it.  If iray didn’t work for me I’d cry for maybe47.256 seconds and get on with iclone as I got no choice.  If it does work, fuck me, I think that’s realbig news, for me anyway.

A few final points as far as I can seeiclone only supports one graphics card so there is no advantage in having2  including using iray?

Got an AMD Ryzen 1700 which is massively outclassedby the intel equivalent in terms of single threaded performance but not in multitasking.  Looking at thread usage when rendering for instancethe CPU uses many threads, some more than others but only runs at about 10%overall.  Any advantage in getting abetter processor especially in terms of single thread function.

Currently using a GTX 1070 which isabsolutely fine for what I am doing as real time viewing is generally OK andrendering is speedy.  I will onlyconsider upgrading if I improve my skills so I can produce stuff that Iconsider “good enough” and can do it quickly. At this point if iray works for me it will be the icing on the cake andI like sweet things especially if they are also shiny, which iray promises,falsely or not.

Any useful information will be appreciated.





Nope, iray plugin is a toy at this moment, many function & optimum no finish yet.Especially, render time is is sick.
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andrewlargin (10/9/2018)
I know water won’t work but will iray be able to reflect like a mirror?

How will iray treat imbedded video? if it just renders as is I would be happy.

Render times on a high end graphics card, a1080ti or 2080ti?30 seconds per frame might be OK, less would be better.Guess Imight be asking how long is a piece of string given numerous variables.

A few final points as far as I can see iclone only supports one graphics card so there is no advantage in having 2including using iray?

Got an AMD Ryzen 1700 which is massively out classed by the intel equivalent in terms of single threaded performance but not in multitasking.Looking at thread usage when rendering for instance the CPU uses many threads, some more than others but only runs at about 10% overall.Any advantage in getting a better processor especially in terms of single thread function.


a) Iray absolutely will handle reflections.

b) Embedded video will work

c) Render times of 30-seconds per frame is probobaly not realistic.  For acceptable quality, I would anticipate more like 2 to 3 MINUTES per frame on a GTX 1070 to GTX 1080Ti.  Of course it varies by scene, but with several lights and some characters, I do not fresee 30-second render times being plausible.

d) Iray will support multi-GPU setups, but iClone does not.  So the native renderer does not benefit, but your Iray renders will benefit from a second GPU.  Iray on the CPU is multi-threaded, but still a lot slower than running on an Nvidia card.

e) The CPU will have very little impact, especially when you have an Nvidia card for the rendering.  If you had a non-Nvidia card (AMD) then I'd take a closer look at the CPU.



ADDED... I was typing while Akuei2 posted.  Our answers synchronize on my comment "C" above.



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With the correct material, and a few adjustments you can get a very good mirror surface using Iray. This is just a quick render with an Iray Chrome material applied to a wall in CC.
https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/ad8658e7-1b61-4dcb-8cca-2777.png

The results are only visible in the Iray Preview window, but any changes that are made update almost at once.

The above scene rendered in just under 25 secs. for 500 iterations.

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/096fb1cd-5a2c-41fd-b745-0fa2.png

A pretty please, could you refrain from using black text on a dark grey background in your posts.




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Gerry

Tried my best to alter the text background but failed.  I imported the text from word as its easier to see it and edit it.  Not going to do it again especially as your request was reasonable in both tone and fact.

Nice mirror, 25s is useful to know running on a 1080ti.  

Justaviking and akuei2

That's what I wanted to know, slow rendering especially compared to what I am used to.  I figured about 1 minute could be rendered in 24 hours  if the rate was a frame every 30s.  2 to 3 mins is a bit long.  Done my crying and will carry on learning iclone but ……….. how about this


If I understand you correctly iray will render on multiple graphics cards so ……………. if I ever felt the need to spend excessive amounts of cash could buy 2 or 3 1080 ti or 2 2080ti etc.  Double or triple the speed, anyone thinks that is feasible or do you lose speed with multiple cards so only get 1.5 times the speed etc.

Only asking for now, To invest that sort of cash I would need to be selling my work which is away in the distance now but that's my plan.   I will obviously wait to see what others do and how long it takes etc and maybe play around with the trial iray version for iclone when it comes out but its the quality of the CC3 renders that's got to me ….. and I like shiny innit.





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andrewlargin (10/9/2018)
Gerry

Tried my best to alter the text background but failed.  I imported the text from word as its easier to see it and edit it.  Not going to do it again especially as your request was reasonable in both tone and fact.

Nice mirror, 25s is useful to know running on a 1080ti.  

Justaviking and akuei2

That's what I wanted to know, slow rendering especially compared to what I am used to.  I figured about 1 minute could be rendered in 24 hours  if the rate was a frame every 30s.  2 to 3 mins is a bit long.  Done my crying and will carry on learning iclone but ……….. how about this


If I understand you correctly iray will render on multiple graphics cards so ……………. if I ever felt the need to spend excessive amounts of cash could buy 2 or 3 1080 ti or 2 2080ti etc.  Double or triple the speed, anyone thinks that is feasible or do you lose speed with multiple cards so only get 1.5 times the speed etc.

Only asking for now, To invest that sort of cash I would need to be selling my work which is away in the distance now but that's my plan.   I will obviously wait to see what others do and how long it takes etc and maybe play around with the trial iray version for iclone when it comes out but its the quality of the CC3 renders that's got to me ….. and I like shiny innit.








Dude, don't so ganged up at dead circle, try thinking out of box ...
Pipeline is one another powerful function for RL product, you had plenty of free choice rest of iray plugin.
Such a blender, unity & etc...  free render engine of quality visual performance.

New NCard no cheap, new RTX technology is unknown.




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Tried my best to alter the text background but failed.  I imported the text from word as its easier to see it and edit it.  Not going to do it again especially as your request was reasonable in both tone and fact.



TIP: copy text from Word, open notepad, paste, copy it again from notepad and paste into the message box here. Formatting is gone.
There also a format removing tool (last icon, when you click Format below the message box), but that does not work all that well sometimes.




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Or, when you paste, right-click and choose “paste as plain text”.

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About "black text"...

There is another solution... almost in plain sight... that I "found" just a couple months ago.

When editing your post, click the "FORMAT" button, and on the right-hand end of the formatting tools, there is an ERASER to "REMOVE ALL FORMATTING."   **CLICK THAT**

You can go back and Edit your original post here and try that.  I wish I'd known about that a long time ago.  Smilehttps://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/0520033d-d54d-4a75-bb08-e746.jpg



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Keith_MPS (10/9/2018)
Or, when you paste, right-click and choose “paste as plain text”.



That is the Chrome and Opera thingy.







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