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Rules about hiring freelancers with iClone.

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Hello,
Correct me if I'm wrong - but if someone wanted to hire a freelancer with iClone to make a mini movie, they would be allowed to do that wouldn't they? I want to do the right thing - but I'm not sure on the rules. I've made a little animated person that I wanted to use to introduce a new ball-jointed doll I have made; to showcase her on youtube. I would like to credit reallusion for using their software, and pay a certain amount of money for the pleasure of being able to use their product - however it just wouldn't be viable for me to buy the entire software package for this one project. Am I allowed to hire someone to convert my files? Is there another way to pay a smaller amount of money to reallusion for a one-off job? Like I said, I'm happy to credit reallusion and have a watermark, for example, in the corner - but the trial version plasters it all over the middle, and i just unusable for me in its current state. Any help would be greatly appreciated Smile
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No, not mine - but I looovvvee her work - isnt she great! She was actually one of my inspirations.
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there are no rules to share of rendered movie data.



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vidi (10/12/2017)
there are no rules to share of rendered movie data.



Thankyou, but I uploaded a topic to this forum last night asking to hire someone with the full version of iClone to convert my .iProjects into .MP4s or .AVIs, and although the post was initially approved, it was taken down before I got a reply. I can only imagine that I was breaking a rule, otherwise why take it down?
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I'd imagine it's the fact you used a trial version to create your project and don't intend to purchase thats made RL a bit narked. Regarding the rendering of your project, it's not an impossible ask but a lot is dependent on what props and avatars you are using. If you have purchased anything from reallusion the person rendering your project has to have the same items or they will have to be bought again. Other than that there shouldn't be any problems.

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Hi Naomi, that is strange that your post disappeared because there was another post yesterday about hiring which is ok: 
https://forum.reallusion.com/343590/Would-like-to-HIRE-character-animating-help#bm344452

Vidi is far more experienced than me but if she is too busy then maybe I can help you? My youtube channel is Tarampa Studios. 


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Yes I imagine it was part because you were using a trial version. Plus you wanted a project converted. Which means transfer of items which the receiving party might not own. Although Iclone itself should have taken care of this when the receiving party got the project anything they didn't own should have been water marked anyway.  As stated above this is part of the issue with people working on project together everyone has to have same items.  But this wouldn't have made them take it down. I think it would be an ethical issue as stated above about the trial version using it then wanting to have someone convert it... 
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@Naomi,

You may recognize me as one of the people who commented in your earlier thread.
I am a bit surprised (but not shocked) that the thread was removed.

Yes, is it okay for people do use iClone "for hire."  But that is different from what you were asking yesterday.
If the work is done entirely on licensed (paid-for) iClone installations, that is different from doing most of the work on a trial (free) version.

I was trying to think of an analogy.  This isn't great, but it'll suffice:
- You need to drill a hole in your wall at home, but you don't own a drill.
- It seems rather expensive to buy a drill for only one hole.
- So you buy a drill, take it home, drill the hole, and the next day to return the drill to the store to get your money back.
- In that case, you're abusing the store's refund policy.
- However, if your neighbor bought the same drill from the same store, you could hire him to drill the hole for you.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck.



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Yeah, I think it goes deeper than that, as I said on that original thread.  You used the software to create a project and now you want to pay for "renting" a render license,  But RL doesn't sell such a license, and asking others to circumnavigate that is wrongheaded and most likely illegal.  Plus, as I said, anyone here would be a fool to do five projects for you and not charge what iClone itself sells for (because you might think it's "easy money" but it's not -- every single thing I've ever done in animation always has consequences and difficulties you can't imagine.  I would charge you at least a couple of hundred to do it).

But the bigger question is this: if you created all these projects (and five is a lot) and you recognize the value of having them rendered, why NOT pay the few hundred dollars for a legit copy of iClone?  You will at the very least use it again -- no one can say "well, this FIVE is all I need".  And you will at least pay $100 or more to someone else to do it for you -- why cheap out and get someone in trouble (and trouble they will get into) when you can just solve it all yourself?

I assume you will be making money off of these (which is why you are willing to pay in the first place to render them) -- don't cheap out and you will be FAR better off.



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