Hi Mike,

I think the point Gorz was making is that everyone who purchases iClone and registers it automatically becomes a CCD member. They don't have to apply or be vetted, they just have to login with their account details.

Once logged in you have access to all the tools and documentation apart from the G2 & G3 Templates which have to be applied for. The point is that you are not really certified to any level or standard until you submit a pack to the Content Store and have it tested and accepted.

If a CCD member decides to sell their content on his/her own store then they have never passed any form of testing as to the quality of the content they are developing. Yet they are still actually a Certified Content Developer and could claim that on their website.

This is why permission will now be required to sell in your own store, if you have used the CCD developer tools to create the content.

Simple isn't it.

                                                                

Peter
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you raise good points Pete - and yes you are correct there is no way to police this - so the seller has to take the risk - but having said that will 3rd party offerings then be offered via backstage and so be protected under some type of DRM?

Well...   Dear Pete....   This thread seems to be going for ever, mainly because of the clear "step back" being done, after hearing complaints and arguments.

The whole thing is like:   Someone climbs a tree to bring coconuts down.  While up there, there is an african bee colony, who gets upset, and starts biting the climber and the people on the ground.    I a hurry the man gets down, or better, slides down and tells the people:  "Hey, sorry.   I don't think the bees want me to bring coconuts".  Then another mans says:  "Well... Not only that.   You climbed a cedar tree, not a coconut tree"!.....

I went back to the "Contract" PDF document.   I found this text, I suppose it is in English, or I might be wrong by the way it has been twisted lately:   Let's read:

(little font not relevant)

2. OWNERSHIP. The Reallusion (CCD) DEVELOPER Tools and all Reallusion, Inc. information on this web site is copyrighted proprietary material of Reallusion, Inc. and may not be copied, reproduced, modified, published, uploaded, posted, transmitted, or distributed in any way, without Reallusion, Inc.'s prior written permission. Except as expressly provided herein, Reallusion, Inc. and its suppliers do not grant any express or implied right to you under any patents, copyrights, trademarks, or trade secret information of Reallusion, Inc. or its suppliers.

Output from Reallusion developer plug-ins and tools may be only sold through the Reallusion Certified Content developer program and by Reallusion, Inc. CCD members may use their custom generated files inside their own Reallusion software projects or share their developer output files at no cost. Developer output files may not be sold outside the Reallusion marketplace without written permission from Reallusion.

My wife is a lawyer specialized in International Law and Intellectual Property Rights.

I asked her to "interpret" this paragraph and she said:

It means EXACTLY what it means! "Output"  products may be ONLY sold through the Reallusion, etc. etc.

And the paragraph is absolutely explicit.     SO.....

What is all this fuzz?  Visitors and Reallusion spoke persons are saying "Nay, nay.   The contract says one thing but you can do another thing"   This is legally DANGEROUS!

Unless those paragraphs in the "contract" document are rewritten and published with the changes done, what is true is the legal power of it as it is.   At ANY time RL could revert the conditions back to what the paper says.  Then... Bang!

You must really CONVINCE me it is not the case and that me, my wife, Shakespeare and many folks are totally "bananas" and the contract actually says what "it does not say!.

 

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

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no legal troubles, fat wallets, great movies, commercials lots of royalties and publishing, fast cars, plasma tvs, not everyone likes that idea, i know.... tough call.

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You forgot:

Sexy Playmates, beautiful escorts, unthinkable waitresses!  

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yeah ,, exactly!! but i was trying to be politically correct!!

ok, this is what we do, we make the standard version free and leave the watermark on it, ( i know thats what they do already but we reinvent the wheel ) then we make it "free and easy" -wink- free to make great movies, easy to buy hot packages ....

first tier of product, the pro version, you guys can debate about the developer version!

2nd tier, the Enterprise version, this is the version that come with the gizmo and gadgets for open format exchange, I know im going to end up paying 200 bucks more for it, but it will be worth it cuz thats where the guys with the fat wallets will be. this is where the Fat wallet bundles come in , whoo hoo...the power designers can make 4-500 dollar super high quality packages for directors that "need it looking final even if its a demo" look. You have NO idea how important that is to people, you only have one shot at a first impression and if your demo looks crappy ...c ya ..i'll call you never again ...

3rd tier, the Enterprise version with a corporate license, that will more than make up for the store front sales !!!!!! that version is the one that the guys who own endorphin would want to buy!! but the enterprise guys can mingle with them!! -wiggles eyebrows-

THEN, Get this , suddenly reallusion certified users are important, especially when Joey catches a cold and the director needs some work done fast , he knows reallusion has many talented designers, they call reallusion for help in sorting out quality designers etc ....

and reallusion takes a commission for helping get everyone "real work" those commissions would be worth more to reallision because truth be told, i honestly have a lot of respect for the talent on this forum, and it kills me to see you guys aspire to make tank tops!!

work together and make hits , and make reallusion commissions as pro artists.

there will be less debate about making an extra 2 dollars from your own sites, thats for sure!!

and what about those people that have a script and an uncle in hollywood but know nothing about computers ?

how important is your service as real artists to them ? thats worth more than a hair package.

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Oh!  You sold me!

So add me to the list.   When you get one of those Fatsie wallets, remember I am an incredible iClone artist-developer!

You drive the BMW.  I will drive the Mercedes!

Brunettes go with you, I'll keep the blondies!

We hire Eminem to entertain us and Jennifer Lopez to pour the drinks!

O my gosh....   I am starting to feel success...    And all thanks to Trinity and Violet who started inspiring us into becoming this astonishing, incredible Clone artists!

Gee!  Thanks Reallusion... Thanks!

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

its not going to happen if projects cant get transferred over easily.

it needs to be able to go from home to cable tv in a few clicks.

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Did you hear that Peter?  Did you hear that CloneBot?

Better hook my iClone to the Cable TV wire.... NOW!

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

lol, be nice, part of the reason i'm so active is that i was upset no one responded to my post about a movie club. Im quite a character. I think reallusion is doing a great job and you guys should to

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