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Space Navigator support needed

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I like INDIE better than PRO... Has you stand out more... Industry Standard makes everything the same...


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Hey, I know... (Sarchastic tones) How about we get the bog basics good enough to use first.

Ahh yes! Hmm, maybe land manipulation, better than was but needs refining and also mist and distance haze / concentration zones, variable depth/hue/density drift/duration variability control would be nice too.
Without getting too demanding perhaps even a 3Dimensional Cloud system as well. With volumetric-randomisers and sympathetic atmospheric-appearance-control according to other "set-natural" trigger-conditions. 

Oh and non slipping feet / hooves and, yes, randomised avatar blinking according to mood/atmosphere/conditions along with auto-resizing irises which are also environment sensitive and an auto-squint in bright condition.

THEN, once we have something to shoot, lets get Cam-happy with anti-grav hover-pads which are mouse controlled Camera levitators and steer the cams round the set like remote controlled  Irritated Mosquitos.

It would be nice to have the egg and see it hatch into a beautiful Chicken sometimes...... rather than one with limbs missing. 

Armstrong. 



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Hey, I know... (Sarchastic tones) How about we get the bog basics good enough to use first.

Ahh yes! Hmm, maybe land manipulation, better than was but needs refining and also mist and distance haze / concentration zones, variable depth/hue/density drift/duration variability control would be nice too.
Without getting too demanding perhaps even a 3Dimensional Cloud system as well. With volumetric-randomisers and sympathetic atmospheric-appearance-control according to other "set-natural" trigger-conditions.

Oh and non slipping feet / hooves and, yes, randomised avatar blinking according to mood/atmosphere/conditions along with auto-resizing irises which are also environment sensitive and an auto-squint in bright condition.
THEN, once we have something to shoot, lets get Cam-happy with anti-grav hover-pads which are mouse controlled Camera levitators and steer the cams round the set like remote controlled Irritated Mosquitos.

It would be nice to have the egg and see it hatch into a beautiful Chicken sometimes...... rather than one with limbs missing.


I didn't know there was a 3-d navigation mouse that did all that?Hehew00t

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+1 for support Space Navigator / Space Explorer
Indeed this would be very handy
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Yes i agree, i really support Space navigator in iClone.
I use it with Poser since long time and it is the best navigation tool i have used so far.
In iClone it would be great to navigate camera view with Space navigator (zoom, pan, orbit/roll) with left hand.
And at same time manipulate actors, props etc with right hand mouse Smile
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This is the third thread I've seen about this (mine I think being the second) I really think when RL gets the chance, they should really look into this. Maybe not till 6.1 since they're hard at work on 6 now, but still. These threads keep popping up.

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But you're missing the point.

Its gimmicky and faddy and... looks good on Sci-Fi movies (visually stunning example comes to mind though irritatingly egotistic and useless if you don't have an impressionable audience to pose it all off to) Iron Man.

Yes, you too can look like a right plonker!


""Someone give me a mouse for Gods sake. My arms are crippling me.
That's why I need a robot suit because they don't work anymore.

Great if you want to invite your impressionable friends round and say, "Look how I developed chronic tennis elbow... by doing THIS 12 hours a day for a few months."

Useless Outdated Gadgets from 1995 redesigned with high sales psychologies to sell them.
This 3DSpace Navigator should be called "Smooth boredom & downward gliding non-productive instigator."

I've used one of these at a demo.
Sure you can smoothly glide across to google earth (for some inane reason its always the No. 1 place to go with gadgetry. Probably because its still intriguing to zoom into grandmas back garden and see her washing from space.) and you can
smoothly glide up above your props and
smoothly glide  across the set and
smoothly glide  round and
smoothly glide each turn and
smoothly glide through doorways as if,
HEY,
No!!.
But surely YES... it's just like being in a space ship hovercraft. WOW!

One thing going for this device... Yes... you can
Smoothly Glide.

You cant replace the mouse.
Steering a smoothly gliding anything and aiming for some control or object is time consuming and irritating and innacurate as well as chronically non productive which is why the idea died when it was tried out in 1994. 

After a few minutes I was annoyed with this thing.
I got tired of the decelerative and accelerative "smoothing" which was worse than mouse acceleration. I had to concentrate and aim for everything crawling about like a mine detector in treacle.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED THAT???

I was told how "heavy" it was and how "Smooth" the finish was and how "Sensitive" it was and how "beautifully designed" it was AND, amazingly, how jealous my friends would be when they saw it????? 
I really p*ssed him off by saying , "My social circles aren't that shallow." 
But that's just me. I Don't suffer idiots.  I Don't idolise.

This is a gimmick.
HENCE the mouse has not been replaced for over a QUARTER OF A CENTURY.

Wake up someone and try and give the set editing basics.
CLOUDS that DO smoothly float about in random directions.
LAND MASSES that can be pulled about and reshaped for caverns and realistic cliff faces.
CLOTHING that crumples in the same way it did in 1994 in Toy Story.
LIGHTING that's worthy of sitting beside PIXAR's decades old superior system.

And now because of some companies say-so you're going to develop the program to handle "smoothly floating" navigation which, incidentally, STILL NEEDS A MOUSE for any degree of efficient and speedy productivity.

God give me some patience please.
Have you used one of these for any given period?
And compared it to someone using a mouse?
No? 
Try it.
They win.

If I sound insulting its because I'm intelligently stunned that for some weird reason, way beyond my understanding, the basics, which are missing with all the subtlety of hands ripped off a babys bleeding arms, seem to get bypassed for inane faddy gadgetry and the worst of it is....

... its NOT the software that's supposed to be impressive but its OUTPUT.

Its NOT a case of "Everyone to their own" before the defenders get on their band waggon.
It is NOT an efficient way to manipulate software. 
Its SLOW and LETHARGIC. (That word means tired and weakened with dulled response in case there are those who didn't know that.)

All the work you do to make this software efficient, time saving, cost effective, commercially viable, price beneficial....

And then you install productivity sloths.

"I'm computeristically a sloth, that's why I need a robot suit to make up
for my inefficiency everywhere else
."

(Patronising sigh of intolerance!)




 



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A "space ball" wouldn't replace a mouse anymore than a mouse and keyboard replace each other.

I can see it would a nice tool, especially for some interesting camera action and/or prop movements.  But I know I'm not coordinated enough to operate a keyboard or mouse at the ame time as a space ball.  I *can* walk and chew gum at the same time, but I do have my limits.

Cool?  Yup.

Potentially usefull?  Yup.

Will I spend money on the hardware?  Nope.

Priority?  In my opinion, low.  (Especially knowing I'm not likely to buy the required hardware.)



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So.....If no space navigator, how but a joystick for facial puppeteering?
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Just installed this BigGrin

http://atzitznet.no-ip.org/Joy2Mouse3/

Now my joystick works as a mouse. Maybe it'll work for Spaceball as well?

It's old software, but it installed (as Administrator) just fine on Win 8.1 64bit.



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