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Posted 10/9/2007 3:17:04 PM


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I quote some one elses disrespectful comments and opinion that specificly targets me with no merit and I get reprimanded by Peter Edwards... bias?.  I'll probably lose my membership for responding with such historical facts.  A good story can be told in a book with no pictures, you miss the whole point of communication of animation.  Study your history or be doomed to repeat it.  I guess I'll wait for Reallusion to add the feature later, but as history shows, it will be added...some day.  Learn from history.  Stay on the cutting edge.  If you don't want realism then start a poll for the toon shader renderer.  It's not about realism, then why is the company called Reallusion?  I judge a product by the technology it's based on, and the quality output it creates.  There are video games that have more impressive realtime rendering  elements than what this tool has to offer.  This is why people still use game engines to tell stories, but I'm sure with time and refinement this can be corrected.  After all, at the price of an average video game system, a toy should not outshine this production tool.  No disrespect to any one is intended, iClone is a great new tool with little competition, let's keep it that way, but improvement is needed.



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Posted 10/9/2007 3:19:19 PM


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Arknzrdude, how is my poll bias when it has an option to chooseYES or NO.?

And if you add all my polls for my requested feature together... you're beat.

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Posted 10/9/2007 4:39:03 PM


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dude don't you get it ? you don't add up all the other polls coz it could be the same person voting on the different polls -

if you can't see why your poll is biased, you have bigger problems than i thought - your poll is akin to:

which do you prefer
have a fun life
be tortured

the choices leave no option for a reasonable person but to choose the first one - you got cheated out of your tuition on your 10 years formal training -i'd ask for a refund

and by the way it's not a competition - it is what users think they need - the point is not all users think your features are top priority.




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Posted 10/9/2007 4:59:20 PM


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Stop focusing on my 10 yrs. experience, which I'm trying desperatly to pass some know how down to the novice.  You make it seem as if I'm just flaunting skills around like: "nah nah nah nah nah, you don't got none".   I mention it once and that's all you keep doing is trying to discredit me.  Discredit the universally taught history.  I post example links, where's your examples for the statments you claim?   And I hope you don't click the first option on a poll you see either.  Explain to me why my poll is bias with proof not personal opinion, you can't get any simpler than the extremes of needed or not needed....basicly, YES or NO.

which do you prefer
have a fun life
be tortured

That's exactly the way you're going on about the whole situation of my poll.  If you call making the forum aware of the history of the craft they utilize and showing comparisons to substanciate my claim as torture, that's your view.  You have yet to prove to me why my feature should'nt be included, other than the: My tool is more important than yours approach.  No one tool is more important than the other.  Having used the tool I'm refering to in many other applications, as a standard tool in most apps., I personally find iClone a little lacking in this area.  It's like iClone with no particle F/X.  Once you use it how do you live without it.  You creating a poll for tools that most have been confirmed for the next upgrade is just non-objective( going away from the point of the topic).  If the tool I'm requesting wasn't of any value to the artist, it wouldn't exist in all other applications.  Sure you could probably fake it, but that's like reinventing the wheel.  The hard part is already done for you.  Scientists and engineers spent alot of time and money researching and developing a tool you can use without having the I.Q. of a physicist, and it's still being improved upon.  Atleast we can agree on one thing, iClone needs improvements, what improvements those are, we can decide.

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Posted 10/9/2007 6:05:44 PM


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Stop focusing on my 10 yrs. I mention it once and that's all you keep doing is trying to discredit me. 
its just that you used this as the basis of your reasoning to invalidate my opinion so to me it is fair game to bring it up

I post example links where's your proof? 
well the burden of proof is with you since you are the one that is trying to convince me that the features you mention are more important to me than the ones i wanted

Explain why my poll is bias with proof not personal opinion, you can't get any simpler than needed or not needed
The poll you have is proof enough - had it been a yes/no answer it would not be as biased but still would be useless since it does not provide clarification as to how important it is relative to other important features- look at the example i used (happy life or tortured) - do you think that is a unbiased poll? don't you think the way it is worded most people would choose 'have a happy life'?

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  Stop focusing on my 10 yrs. I mention it once and that's all you keep doing is trying to discredit me.  Discredit the history.  I post example links where's your proof?  I hope you don't click the first option on a poll you see either.  Explain why my poll is bias with proof not personal opinion, you can't get any simpler than needed or not needed.


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Posted 10/9/2007 6:24:11 PM


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Man, this is like the student trying to surpass the...well you get the point.  I'm not trying to prove anything, I just requested a feature, and gave a little insight to you self proclaimed novices as to why, by showing examples.

Stop focusing on my 10 yrs. I mention it once and that's all you keep doing is trying to discredit me. 
its just that you used this as the basis of your reasoning to invalidate my opinion so to me it is fair game to bring it up

I guess the numerous posted links were overlooked as the basis then? 

I post example links where's your proof? 
well the burden of proof is with you since you are the one that is trying to convince me that the features you mention are more important to me than the ones i wanted

To prove what, that mine is better or yours is better?  Why does one have to be more important than the other, there's room for all, look at how long the wish list has become.  You make it seem like: he said me said, mine is yours isn't type of thing.  I created a poll that is for or against the feature on it's own merits not a: my feature v.s. your feature type of thing, like you have degraded it to....  I should have known being that you prefer to use the word argue over debate.

Explain why my poll is bias with proof not personal opinion, you can't get any simpler than needed or not needed
The poll you have is proof enough - had it been a yes/no answer it would not be as biased but still would be useless since it does not provide clarification as to how important it is relative to other important features- look at the example i used (happy life or tortured) - do you think that is a unbiased poll? don't you think the way it is worded most people would choose 'have a happy life'?

It never needed clarification until you questioned it, besides it was clear to you from the getty-up what this tool does, so why ask a rhetorical question anyway?  To start an argument?  You didn't even post a poll until you saw mine, and you only created it to discredit my poll.  It isn't wise to put feature up against feature unless both tools produce the same or similar result, the tools you refer to is in the modeling department, while mine refer to the animation department, once again, apples and oranges.  And since when did YES or NO choices become unreasonable and bias.  Had I known you wanted me to ad your request of features in my poll I would have just read your mind and done so.  Next time give me a heads up O.K...   If yours is more important than mine as you've been promoting, explain why....Oh, never mind, you're right, this is torture.  And as far as 'have a happy life' is concerned, I'm sure everybody would love to be happy with an investment that brings a return to their life.  SMILE.

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Posted 10/9/2007 10:50:46 PM


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It never needed clarification until you questioned it,
nobody questioned it and nobody participated because it was so blatantly biased - in case you forgot what you wrote here it is:
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Does Dynamics controller options need to be a feature implemented in the next installment of iClone?
Poll Answers
- Very much needed
- Not interrested in tools that enhance my avatars proformances
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so it is NOT a Yes/No poll, it forces reasonable people to chose the first option because most people ARE interested in tools that enhance performance

now do you get why it is biased?


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Posted 10/10/2007 1:07:16 AM


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This is the poll exactly as it states in it's entierty, not how you just manipulated it to suit your bias needs, nobody even chose the option that you so promanantly chose to display as the polls only other option.  I count four options.

Very much needed
 
40%
2
Somewhat needed
 
20%
1
Not needed at all
 
40%
2
Not interrested in tools that enhance my avatars proformances
0%
0

Actually, it's YES-MAYBE-NO-I DON'T CARE.  Extremes and plecebos for those who can't cope with extremes or would otherwise disrupt the extremes.  These votes can count as valuable data too. The last option is exactly for who it's stated for, it's not torture.  It's to see if any one is not interested in this tool, like you seem to be.  Did you even vote?

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Posted 10/10/2007 1:53:44 AM


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http://forum.reallusion.com/Topic453-11-1.aspx

this is the most recent poll you posted - as you can see it is right there in front of you - only 2 options - so no matter how you spin it - it is there

regardless, that is just one point of many you seem to miss,
i just don't feel that the features you stated are my top priority - that is what i stated in the original reply that seemed to have set you off

i am dropping this thread now, i extended an olive branch earlier in the thread but you ignore it and as you seem to have no flexibility in looking at other people's point of view i give you back your thread so you may enjoy listening to yourself as you please



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