Sir, how about a yes or no!

sw00000p

The EULA will be the only version of the agreement between RL and the customers.  So I wouldn't expect anyone from RL to provide any more answers other than referring to the EULA. Any answers or clarifications other than a straight quote from the EULA is unnecessary and unwise since they may be perceived as amendments to the EULA.

As to the credit issue raised in this thread, I typically won't credit something that I bought. For instance, if i write a poem using Microsoft Word, I won't give Word the credit any where in the poem. Credits are for the free materials in the public domain. So although Reallusion gives the permission to credit it, I simply won't change my general rule and place a credit. There are situations, such as the iClone movie competition, where credit is required. But that's another story. 

I definitely will not place any iClone or CrazyTalk logo in my works. I could be asking for trouble. Placing an RL logo in a product can give some audience/clients the false impression that the product is endorsed by RL or even come form RL. RL can't be happy with that because 1) the product may carry a message or project a certain image that RL doesn't want to associated with, or 2) the product is among the prohibited uses as stated in the EULA., or 3) any other reasons that RL is not happy with the use of their logos.  I know the things I am going to make won't fall in any of the above categories, but why bother.

DISCLAIMER: The above post is my personal opinion as a layman. It is not intended as legal advice. For legal advice, please consult legal professionals.

To what ? sw0000p. Didn't see you as part of the previous posts? Do you own your Videos? I think Cricky has put it perfectly don't you?

Sorry, I meant no harm. I followed the link you gave and now have a CLEAR understanding of everything involving this matter.

Sir Peter Edward's and JMartin's post, Clearly Explains:

* Customise All RL Original Content and The Movie Is Completely Yours To Do As You Wish!

sw00000p

No probs sw0000p. Glad you are now clear on the EULA and the link helped. I was unsure that you had the right thread!!

Well, may be there is still confusion about this then, in my opinion. Let me see if I can help to make it a little more clearer, or more muddier . It is true if one modifies every piece of contents in RL and then produce the video based on them, then one will own the rights to the video, and possible also the copyrights to these modified pieces.

However, if the purpose is to own the copyright to the video/movie itself, without also claiming copyrights to the contents being used in the video, then there is no need to change anything. One can and probably wants to customize at least some contents, such as the avatars, but one doesn’t need to. If one doesn’t want to change the furniture, or the trees, flowers, jeep, tv, bed, door, etc, one doesn’t have to. RL granted the customer a non-exclusive royalty-free license to use the content when the customer made the purchase.

This is not unlike using the fonts that come with Microsoft Word to write an article. The writer doesn’t own the copyright to the fonts, but the writer owns the article and can do whatever s/he wants with it, including selling it.

What’s the benefit of modifying the contents, such as an avatar? Besides making the video look good, one MAY BE able to own the copyright to it. If this avatar becomes a big hit, such as playing a starring role in your movie/show that ends up on TV running for years, then you can license this avatar out (stars in commercials, appears in t-shirts, has its own action figure, etc. We need to keep the dream alive, right?).

I say MAY BE above because 1) your avatar has to be “substantially” different (the court will decide that should there be a legal case) from the original one that RL provides, and 2) once your avatar makes it big, there could be some people notice that your avatar looks very similar to theirs, and may think that you simply copied their avatars in the first place. They may decide to challenge your claim of copyright ownership to the avatar.

I don’t know where this notion of RL requiring its users to place RL logos in their products comes from. It simply doesn’t make sense.  Below is a direct quote from the EULA.

6. The use of any Reallusion, Inc. iClone and/or CrazyTalk logo or trademark must be

used in a manner permitted by the logo or trademark owner. This license does not

grant you any right to use logos or trademarks. …

Companies spend a lot of money to build up their brands. Logos are protected by copyright and trademark laws. Unauthorized use of any company’s logos is a serious offense. Placing some other company’s logo on one’s own product is the equivalent of dressing as a girl scout and wearing a girl scout badge to sell cookies when one is not a girl scout member. They will go after you. There is no way a company allows anyone else to use its logos without specific permission (exceptions exist, such as some very narrow editorial usage, as in using the logo in an article about the company or a discussion of the design of the logo itself).

I realize that my opinion may be wrong. Please feel free to correct me. I will love to be equipped with a better understanding of copyrights issues.

Disclaimer: What’s expressed in this post is my own personal opinion as a layman. It is not intended as legal advice. For legal advice, please consult legal professionals.