Of course we are derailing more and more.    I am NOT arguing about untrained musicians as to be bad or good.  Not at all.   Taking Gabe's comparison, a musical pencil would be either the notes themselves or the sounds taken out of an instrument.  Whether "studied" or just improvised.

The problem is in the musical fragments which are intended for the original musician to mean something.    Blending musical pieces into a so called "remix" surely can produce a result...  Why not...    But this guys, the blenders are NOT musicians.  Are "gluers"...  If the word exist.

Now about dear BB, sneaking in slight criticism towards precut mesh....   Hum...   I think it has nothing to do with the subject.  But it is also contradictory in a sense, because PreCut mesh does NOT mean you can not make texture for it...  Not at all!  Where did such idea came from?  Have you seen ChristyO video?   All textured C4G3 precut mesh, indeed!

Certainly, Precut ALSO can be used for designing art textures on it.   On a PreCut mesh, I've seen many great Texture Artists generate a lot of varieties from the same.    And users, also can do some creative work, rather than just buying, paying and applying.

Lets not "take the radish by the leaves"...    We are talking about music, creative process and Art.   Not about technical issues such as The advantage or disadvantage of PreCut mesh to full sized mesh.    Both are mesh.  Both can be texture applied, both work.  As in a sense, all 3D mesh is precut, as it certainly has a limited shape.   Some like mine offer a variety of intermediate covering mesh objects so you don't really have a lot of "invisible" polygons floating around in an animation.

But it can be, it has been and it is supposed to be texture covered as well.

So let's get back to music.    By the way I am a musician too.   Both kinds in one.   Trained and also an improvisation freak.   But certainly not a "gluer"....

Mike

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Their Magix Movie Edit Pro will create music for any scene on the spot by selecting a mood like whether it's drama, or suspense and the music will be the length of the clip that you specify. I haven't used the movie program yet, but love the music one and they both come with your own website so that you can publish music, videos, photos etc to share with family and friends.

I just can't say enough about it.

Best Buy carries both programs and puts them on sale often. Magix is running a sale on their additional content cds for $20 each and they contain over 10,000 sound loops per cd.

So for those of us that can't play a lick of music and have to search to find the right piece to go with our movies, this is a huge timesaver for a small price. I paid $59 for the Music Maker and $29 for Movie Edit Pro. It even comes with the free version of iClone in the package so that you can make animations to add to your family videos or assemble all the scenes you made in iClone.

There's a trial download of both programs from their website with a 15 day expiration. That's how I started and once I finished my first piece of music, I was hooked. Went to Best Buy the next day and bought it.

Certainly much better than pirating music, a very common mistake!

I understand it!   But let´s call the new art breed, "Gluers"?  "Remixers"? "Loopers"?

but not Musicians!   Please!   (The musicians MADE the loops)

Mike

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It's a bit like film-making in iClone; most of the content I use was created by others (although I made changes in the texturing), but I am putting it together in, hopefully, an interesting way.  In the end it's all about being creative...

It is very interesting to se the way conceptual art is going!

Notice I did not mentioned the word "art" in my posts.  Art in itself is subject to a lot of interpretations; academic, personal, political, even religious.

For me Art is a form of action or work which captures audience into the "Here and Now". It's power resides in making people forget sorrows, needs, problems or dreams and become more alive and awaken, even for a second.

Understanding Art this way, ALL activities, including sticking together musical fragments, in a sort of empirical "composing", can become a form of Art, if it gains this capture power I mention.

But musician is something else.  And actual composers, in it's pure understanding are beyond  musicians!    A true composer must know music!  I think you know music. (theory)

A music "audiolizer" (sort of a visualizer) is a different breed.  Like song "composers" which whistle a song and a true musician makes it come to life!  No doubt the whistler is an Artist because he creates a musical idea, attractive to listeners.  The musician and composer MAKES it a reality, even better if it is artistic in nature.

Of course we have the right to become amateur "musicians, artists and composers"...  Or "Gluers, or the modern techno  DJ " !!!!!

NOTHING BAD WITH IT! It can even be... Creative!   All this is for the pure fun of philosophy and play.... 

So...  Let's "glue loop"!    Have you tried Kinetics?  By the Cakewalk folks?  It's fantastic and easy to use!!!!

Mike

Mike Aparicio  Reallusion Certified Content Developer Really Certified