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| | Any CCD interested to jump into the Reallusion music business? Or just looking to have your own sound tracks for your next movie? Magix Music Maker 15 on the Creative Resource Center has what you're looking for! Quickly put together instrument sounds and beats to create your own music. Package and sell the music, or show it off in your Rock Band video or movies! Check it out! http://www.reallusion.com/creative/creative_magix.aspx 
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| | Well.... Music is STILL an Art Form... I wonder if automated music machines will bring the right feel to a mood background or to an emotional climax. Mixing and remixing is sort of people buying paints at the Louvre then cutting them in pieces to make "collages" and new "remixes" of "old ancient paintings".... I am still pragmatic about this. I feel the Soul of a musician is IRREPLACEABLE! Certainly this "fad" will contribute to the undesired Uncanny Valley we all are striving to get rid off! I hope Real Musicians will still live and prosper.... Mike
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| | Thanks for your understanding, Mike... That's why I moved to filmmaking... It's unpaid, but at least I've fun... I have composed film music in the past, but in the current climate you need to be a businessman before being an artist and that doesn't interest me. Or, you are asked to do the work for a copy of the film... So now it's just music for my own films.
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| i think music as is with any art form - the end result is the goal - if it can move, stimulate emotions then it is all good - regardless of how it was created - of course musicians, someone who creates it from scratch is to be admired and valued much more - but from the confines of my desk, headphones on, listening - this detail is sometimes lost on me, focusing instead on the final piece
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| | Well dear Gabe, it seems we are starting an interesting philosophical thread! There is a lot to say about this particular subject. I would like to call our attention to the fact Music is also a discipline. A Real musician requires a lot of study, hard work, thousands of listening hours, and of course Soul sensitivity, a certain degree of inner feeling and all this, put together, brings out Real Music. Lets compare it to what you can do so well. Making artistic textures and other very interesting graphics output. There could, some computer nerd as myself, put together a program that would chop little parts of classic paintings, photos, drawings and whatever, and by means of some topology analysis of the texture map surface, would pop out with all kind of fantasy textures, of ancient knights, fiction heroines and such. Many "noble" minds would consider this outcome "suitable" or fulfilling the "goal"--- Right? But you, your colleagues, Art Directors and students, me and many others would find this "robotic" textures meaningless. Lacking Art or creativity. Random elements placed in a clever way! Working with certain fixed rules (by computer) on how colors match, shapes meet and lines converge. Just as a program using chopped musical pieces, would follow the rules for musical beat, rhythm, accent, whatever the programmer (The Real Artist) would put in it. Have you ever tried to read one of those books on ""computer poetry"? Same case! Certainly my colleagues, my students at the Superior School of Arts in Galileo University and at ANY other music school, thousands of trained musicians, a major audience and maybe me, would find it, robotic, "mathematic", boring ar at least not stimulating. Of course, once in a while, "the flute will sound", and something interesting could come out of such process. Then the Real Art would be: Not putting it together but actually being able to recognize it!  As a teacher in Video and Cinema Production I tell my students an audiovisual is 50% audio-50% video! I make strong remarks on the importance of the sound track. I show them how a different sound or musical background can create totally different impressions with exactly the SAME video! We discover week by week how disastrous or relevant the proper music will be. And to be correct it must come out of a creative who understands the effect of minor and major harmonies, on sevenths, and 13ths. and so on. A musical language was created by the Elder and us, the descendants, have learned to react to such. A crazy sound track can mislead us all the way into total lack of understanding. Certainly I would not agree to the saying. " The goal justify the means"... Would you elaborate on this? Mike
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| | Its maybe out of order but this program is something more than described above. Its midi rigged so you can take any of your own electrical instruments like keyboard or guitar and record you own preform to. It has a great senthyzeiser and is cheaper than a lot of other software that can record in reliable quality. Of cource one can use all the premade stuff in it to. I use it with great pleasure for handmade Washburn guitar because its better than my amplifier, and cheaper  I know a lot of people who of course dont mean i make music but only noise. I just dont think that it would be better without it, they would mean the same.
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| Mike this is a good discussion - i look at this from two perspectives
the first one is as someone who sits back relaxes and enjoy the work - whether music or video - i can appreciate well composed music or video, just leave my mind blank and enjoy. Sometimes when i create stuff in iclone, i listen to music to help me in the creative process. When i am in this mode, how the music was created is less relevant than how good the final piece is. I have received some music from other artists who wrote them but they did not appeal to me so while i don't doubt the skill that went into the creation process, the final result does not reflect the skill so to me that is not good.
Not being a musician (only thing i can play is a radio) - i appreciate these little tools that can help realize a composition without knowing the individual instruments - which leads me to this:
i think artistry does not reside 100% in the technical aspects - artistry can take the form of taking seeing something other people may not see - mathematics is a great example of this where there are a ton of skilled mathematicians but only a few the can discern the patterns in numbers. Like wise all of use know how to use a pencil, we know how to draw but only a few can create magic out of that pencil - i see the same thing with these type of tools - you have bits and pieces here and the tool gives everyone a boost towards creating music much like a pencil gives everyone the tool to write - but the artistry comes in combining these bits and pieces into something a lot of people can enjoy.
with iclone, we all have the bits and pieces, one can argue you are not a true 3D artist unless you can model but knowing how to model is different from the ability to pull in the right pieces to create that top notch movie
i remember an interview one time with George Martin (Beatles producer) - he was talking about john Lennon who was not trained musically but rather was a self taught hack. In one of songs, he used a musical technique used by the masters - and George pointed it to him - John commented along the lines of - so that's what its called - i just thought it sounded good
but one thing i agree on - music goes a long way to convey a mood, a feeling, especially when coupled with a video
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