sw00000p (10/19/2014)
Sifr,
So YOU are the "Substance" PRO... OK! Ermm
I can't wait for these 'Yahoo's' to see it in action. Tongue
Your next reply to (THEM) will be......
"To use 'Substance' as I do, ...Ah.... Purchase a Very Powerful Computer!"
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You may be educating "animagic", but you are NOT telling me anything I don't already know.
Procedural texturing IS a Pro Standard feature and has been for years.
...so is Global illumination and..... Render Farms.
You are mixing PRO-LEVEL with iClone! Tongue
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Yes, substance is awesome and CAN be a solution for blending seams to ANY mesh.
The computational resource usage quickly adds up.
1. This is why I purchased iClone.... to RENDER at a reasonable rate!
2. Now the iClone (Gang) can render using "Indigo" AT A PRICE..
...as they will soon learn! w00t
MOST iCloners will NOT be able to utilize "Procedural Texturing, as you propose.
3ds Max and Maya, for example.... does ALL of this... AT A PRICE!
Standard Professional Practice... YES!
Practical usage for iCloner's (WITHOUT SUPER PC'S).... YES, if used in (SEVERE) moderation.
Your next reply to (THEM) will be......
"To use 'Substance' as I do, ...Ah.... Purchase a Very Powerful Computer!"
Sifr,
Being that YOU are the Procedural Texturing 'Professional'...
Let's continue... mixing Pro-Level with iClone.:
• FumeFX = Realistic Fire and Smoke.
• Krakatoa = Render millions of particles
• RayFire = Realistic Explosions
• Grid-Iron = Optimize ENTIRE scenes UV'S
• Maskarad = MARKER-LESS MOCAP
Grid-Iron and Maskarad (each cost more than) (1 thousand bucks USD) w00t
I could easily post screen shots, but what good would that do?
Nothing!
YES, I purchased ALL OF THIS and have the power to simulate it, too!Cool
I'm pushing:
2 8Quads Dell Alienware
1 - Area 51 (Water Cooled)
1 - Acer (Predator)
plus one (Quad-Core) with an EXTREME processor) ~ Cool
...practical use for iClone???
POST: (Composite using After Effects and Premiere Pro) Wink
Note: I don't take anything away from Substance Painter.... It's Awesome!
...but, computationally taxing.
Solution: BAKE the procedural texture! ...now it's NOT computationally taxing! _________________________________________________________
Some people have gambling or addiction problems, I have a CGI ITCH!
Yeah, lots of toys.... just a hobby!
That's all I wanted to hear was Sw00000p give Substance the props it deserves.
and maybe it is computationally taxing, but I hardly noticed; something I probably take for granted with a 6k custom built, one of a kind Alienware Tablet, but it runs respectably on my Surface Pro(Painter with a Wacom pen is HEAVEN
), as does iClone for design tasks only though, animation sucks. That's what the
raytrace master blaster gun is for.
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And just so you know Sw00000p, and of course you already know right? Substance bakes out to several bitmap image channels upon export, that's one of their selling points. It's nothing new, like creating a game, or an iClone movie, or using the majority of any cg programs, before you output in a compiled/compressed/baked format, your rig has to crunch, crunch, crunch major computational numbers. We all know computer/graphics processing guidelines, the more powerful the rig the more numbers you crunch in less time, at a "price". So ummm
yeah, it's no secret you get what you pay for. I don't expect everyone to be able to make Substance for iC6, more market share for me. It's called barrier to entry, but you already knew that too, right? If you truely own what you claim and your still hobby minded, you're either
or deep pockets and totally talentless. Either way I'm like PDS at this point....PUT UP OR SHUT UP. And what's sad is, if you have all this ingenious creativity/technical skill and computing power that you claim, then why do you ridicule the "Yahoos" as you so eloquently put it, by only spoonfeeding enigmatic bits of valuable info, while flinging around all these fancy words, as if we are too retarded to comprehend what you are relaying, it's like you are saying: "Nah nah boo boo, I know and you don't, I'll tell you a little, but what good will it do you. You did this wrong, you did that wrong, and I am fully capable of showing you how to do it, but I'm simply not going to... not for you, not right now
". This rhetorical theme echoes in every comment you post.
As far as your list of thousand dollar plus packages go, what is your point? If you can fit it in iC workflow great, that's what it's made for, there are more affordable alternatives that fit more within iC barrier to entry demographic. Those of us that have super powerful rigs and "awsome" software will just get there faster, if we so choose to go there, wherever we decide to go with it, because it's a non linear path with tech. Why would I spend $48,000 on a Motionwerx mocap suite when there are alternatives like Perception Neuron that cost $550 and do way more. This is an example of price not always equating to production ROI value. And you can bet your sweet candy arse it's going to put the smack down on your praised Maskarad MARKER-LESS MOCAP suite, because just like RL listens to this valued customer so does NOITOM(Perception's parent Co.) like a religion, so thanks for the tip kid, I'll be sure to request an affordable alternative feature set be included in their software stack, if Tristan hasn't done it already.
You make it sound as if, if it isn't Sw00000p's idea/way it's wrong, or it's a crime, or I some how cheated in some way by having the most efficiently productive pipeline I'm comfortable with and able to afford.
Sw00000p: "Oh, oh he claims he can use this 'awsooome' program pipeline to tackle uv seams with almost an infinite selection of resolution independant, non destructive, procedurally driven textures, and even use custom images with no smudging at the seams, just clean uv seams for a whopping $99."
Crowd mockingly laughs in ridicule.
Sw00000p: (pointing with an accusing index finger)"But, what he didn't tell you is he has to use a powerful computer to do it! Disregard what his signature on every post states"
Crowd gasps in horror.
Sw00000p: (waves arms in a calming manner) "Everybody please maintain yourselves, listen this guy may be able to do all that he claims with this 'awsooome' software that he uses on his super computer, ok fine." (crosses arms defensively) "He might be even schooling some of you here, but he ain't telling me nothing new." (raises arms in a declarative manner) "I been known it, I been had software that can do that and it costs thousands, not just $99. I say you've got to learn to smudge uv seams!! SMUDGE THEM ALL!!! It is the only way" (maniacally clinches palms)"The sw00000p way!!! Why, I have three of these supercomputers he is referring to," (scrambling for words)"one even runs with water."
Crowd gasps again, even more deeply intense than before.
As sw00000p continues his running tirade a shadowy cloaked figure emerges from the crowd that has been acquainted with sw00000p for sometime now. Removing his hood to speak the mysterious individual is revealed to be none other than....
PDS: (raises finger in objection)"Sw0000000000000000psiie!!! The day of redemption has arriiiived!!!" (sharply pointing an accusing finger)"I knew I'd track ya here buddy, the jig is up. You been runnin' round 'TELLIN' the same ol' story ever since I knownd ya." (extends arm in a presentational manner)"this guy here is trynta legitimately 'SHOW' us somethin' we might can learn from, while savin us plenty compared to your suggestions and here's his proof". (inquisitively raises a brow)"Where's yours?"
Sw00000p: (chuckling nervously)"PSD, what are you doing here?" (stands more erect) "I knew you were going to ask that exact question
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PDS: (aggressively walks towards sw00000p)"I always ask that exact question.... but you already knew that, right? Just like you knew I'd be here."
(digging in his bag of enigmatic tricks)"Of course I did, and I got it right here for you buddy.... somewhere in here... hold on, give me a minute....."
As Sw00000p and PDS continue to exchange words, the crowd begins to slowly disperse.... Once again the thread has been taken over and side railed by the two most entertaining debaters since Siskel and Ebert...... To Be Continued....
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10 Years Ago by
Sifr