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RE: motion editor

eliza.skywalker — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:53:04 GMT

[quote][b]diman2 (7/28/2008)[/b][hr]if you are creating the motion insert current pose edit right click to the left right arrow and turn to the position you need then go to the point on the timeline just b4 you need the head to turn insert current then just past insert again then edit head and the arrow should stay in the left right position and move the head to the other side. if you are doing this in a motion exsisting try insert current pose move head then use copy joint paste relative and continue. the only problem inside a motion already created is if there is head movement already copy joint does not completly work with head movement already embedded. but i at least hope i helped you.[/quote]I will try this - thank you.

RE: motion editor

diman2 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:16:00 GMT

i created this topic and thought there was a simple answer to my question and there was thanks to DUCHESS at the coolclones wed site. just create the motion export to iclone reload in motion editor then merge and save to a folder or create a new folder very simple very easy unlike opening the motion up in a text editor and changing the vns number so thanks for everybodys help but i will use the easy route and with IC3 around the corner it most likely want even matter.

RE: motion editor

diman2 — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:05:07 GMT

if you are creating the motion insert current pose edit right click to the left right arrow and turn to the position you need then go to the point on the timeline just b4 you need the head to turn insert current then just past insert again then edit head and the arrow should stay in the left right position and move the head to the other side. if you are doing this in a motion exsisting try insert current pose move head then use copy joint paste relative and continue. the only problem inside a motion already created is if there is head movement already copy joint does not completly work with head movement already embedded. but i at least hope i helped you.

RE: motion editor

eliza.skywalker — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:11:58 GMT

It's me again with a question.;)How can I make a head turn from the left side to the ride? I want my character to look from one person standing on his left to one standing on his right side and only the head should move (not the whole character), but cannot find out how to make this in motion editor. I tried to spin the head joint and the neck joint and the chest joint but it wouldn't solve my problem. The only solution I found is to make the whole character turn from one side to the other. But that is not what I want because it looks unnatural.

RE: motion editor

Peter Edwards — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:07:13 GMT

[quote][b]diman2 (7/20/2008)[/b][hr]Sorry if this started something I simply wanted to know why the motion files I create showed in iclone but i could not get them in the editor to reuse or add to, I figured I was just doing something wrong, where this went to left field somehow I will never know. I appreciate the help from all and this problem is not a big one I can work around. The program is great and IC3 looks to be even greater can't wait.[/quote]

No need to apologize. Your points were well made. Its normal for threads to off on a tangent and nothing to worry about.

With the release of iClone 3.0 the Motion Editor will no longer be needed as all motion editing can be done directly from the preview window in iClone itself. This should make problems like you mentioned a thing of the past. :)

RE: motion editor

diman2 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:41:58 GMT

Sorry if this started something I simply wanted to know why the motion files I create showed in iclone but i could not get them in the editor to reuse or add to, I figured I was just doing something wrong, where this went to left field somehow I will never know. I appreciate the help from all and this problem is not a big one I can work around. The program is great and IC3 looks to be even greater can't wait.

RE: motion editor

Peter Edwards — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:39:47 GMT

[quote][b]medialab (7/18/2008)[/b][hr]I can see no one from Reallusion has commented this thread. Hey moderators and Reallusion staff.... We need your comments to this thread! Indeed!!!![/quote]

Hi,

I have commented on the two other threads which dealt with this same subject. You can check them out from the links below.

http://forum.reallusion.com/Topic4898-11-1.aspx

http://forum.reallusion.com/Topic4498-13-1.aspx

Posting on different threads on the same subject makes it hard for everyone to keep track so it is best to try and keep discussion in the one location. If you find you are not getting an answer you can use the Search button as there may be an answer in another thread. Thanks.

RE: motion editor

jpiazzo — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:23:11 GMT

Oh NO, people who know what they are doing have found this forum...now there will be trouble!

RE: motion editor

medialab — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:56:28 GMT

[quote][b]stuckon3d (7/15/2008)[/b][hr]All of them are great points that need to be addressed. I guess we'll have to wait and see what they did with IC3, who knows, they might have fixed those problems. Also, when I was talking about the converter, I was not talking about being able to go from the converter to iclone to editor. I was talking about an issue where the motions that you see on the converter do not match when you bring them into ICLONE.[/quote]Regarding motion differences when converting you are right. It seems the converter does not show correctly when a bone is rotated in a way that when loaded into Iclone distorts de figure or twists the character in an odd way.This has to do with the profile in use, and certainly the default profile does not work with Poser. Also de Poser4 profile produces incorrect motions, nevertheless the bone display show an apparently good conversion. You have to struggle, by trial and error, rotating the bones affecting the character, until you get a good conversion. Some Rotations in the dials, don't allow for more than 127 degrees, causing a badly placed bone, difficult to correct, which results in a somehow distorted pose in Iclone.Do your best by trial and error.I can see no one from Reallusion has commented this thread. Hey moderators and Reallusion staff.... We need your comments to this thread! Indeed!!!!

RE: motion editor

stuckon3d — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:20:51 GMT

All of them are great points that need to be addressed. I guess we'll have to wait and see what they did with IC3, who knows, they might have fixed those problems. Also, when I was talking about the converter, I was not talking about being able to go from the converter to iclone to editor. I was talking about an issue where the motions that you see on the converter do not match when you bring them into ICLONE.

RE: motion editor

Mike Aparicio — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:15:55 GMT

I guess it is the same problem with the converter.I just checked and files also come with version 1.30 in them.I also used the Wordpad program to fix it and it worked, but you have to go first through Iclone. So, what you do is: After conversion, load the motion file into Iclone. It will load OK. Then launch the motion editor to simple save it again!!!! Funny thing! Then Open the Motion with Wordpad and change where it says 1.30 to 1.20. that's all! Now they will show in both programs Iclone and M. editor.Why this happens? My closest guess is that it was designed this way to prevent users from easily exchange motion material, or to produce usable BVH motions for other programs, because I don't think Reallusion software engineers would make such a mistake, or let it go through inside the packages, but it actually becomes a VERY annoying "feature" or "unfeature". How would you call it?I also posted some very URGENT changes in the editor, starting from fixing the file problem.1) A motion layer set is very needed to allow alteration of the original motions in BVH or native Iclone formats. A layer is needed to do things like raising hands, making body gestures, etc, while the original motion is acting.2) Inverse kinematics is needed with the hip (pelvis), torso and lower limbs at least, because if you rotate the hip for postural changes, the whole character rotates!!! and it is necessary to move back all other bones to the original position, an almost impossible feat. Try to do a female model posture and you will see what I mean!!!!3) Being able to anchor the feet to ground is VITAL to create a walk, dance or fight move. Try to create a simple walk and you will pull all your hair away before you can do anything decent!!!Let's see what Reallusion says about all this....-

RE: motion editor

stuckon3d — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:49:50 GMT

[quote][b]meaparicio (7/15/2008)[/b][hr]Hey folks:Indeed a mayor problem and not a simple thing to correct. It seems a real bug in the motion editor. It is a motion file version problem. Somehow the editor cannot recognize his own files while Iclone can find them OK. I checked further and found the main reason: Accepted motion files have a version number 1.20 while files created by the motion editor are version 1.30Hence I used the HexEdit program to open each motion file and changed the version digit 3 into a 2 in each. Presto! The motions appear now in the motion editor, they do animate the icon and work OK.I am creating a small utility that will do this in batch mode, and when it is ready I will post it for all you good Icloners!!!!!If you are clever enough you can also use the word pad to do it. Just open the motion file with wordpad being careful of not using wrapping lines, then at the early first lines you will find the 1.30 text. Carefuly replace the 3 with a 2 leaving everything else unaltered. Save and test it.Don't forget to copy the original to another name before tinkering.Happy recover !!!![/quote]that is an excellent find dude, I wonder if the motion converter has the same problem and thats why we dont see the same motion when we load the motions in iclone.

RE: motion editor

Mike Aparicio — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:08:41 GMT

Hey folks:Indeed a mayor problem and not a simple thing to correct. It seems a real bug in the motion editor. It is a motion file version problem. Somehow the editor cannot recognize his own files while Iclone can find them OK. I checked further and found the main reason: Accepted motion files have a version number 1.20 while files created by the motion editor are version 1.30Hence I used the HexEdit program to open each motion file and changed the version digit 3 into a 2 in each. Presto! The motions appear now in the motion editor, they do animate the icon and work OK.I am creating a small utility that will do this in batch mode, and when it is ready I will post it for all you good Icloners!!!!!If you are clever enough you can also use the word pad to do it. Just open the motion file with wordpad being careful of not using wrapping lines, then at the early first lines you will find the 1.30 text. Carefuly replace the 3 with a 2 leaving everything else unaltered. Save and test it.Don't forget to copy the original to another name before tinkering.Happy recover !!!!

RE: motion editor

diman2 — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:44:41 GMT

i appreciate the help i've tried copying to each file with still no luck again they show up in iclone but not the editor if the editor had a save feature but the only way i can access the file is in a project which as you know clears the current project. I need to take several projects to put together. so for now i builld them together which is time consuming. I'm sure again theres something simple i'm missing. but thanks for your efforts.

RE: motion editor

admiral202 — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:47:49 GMT

I've done this before as well, and know exactly the problem you are referring too. You will probably want to open a few files folders to observe when you save these. I'm pretty sure that if you want to have it show up in both motion editor and in iclones, you must copy your saved file over to both:C:\Program Files\Reallusion\iClone Motion Editor 2\Custom\iClone Custom\MotionC:\Program Files\Reallusion\iClone 2\Template\iClone Template\Motion

RE: motion editor

Cricky — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:27:57 GMT

Apply the Motion in iClone and then launch the Motion Editor.

motion editor

diman2 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:23:11 GMT

this may sound silly but i seem to be unable to access my custom motions. i can in i clone but not in the editor. only as a project. my problem is for timing purposes i built several motions to work with a music video and now i need to access them all to build the final product. i created a new folder and can find it when i move my custom motions to that folder its in iclone but not the editor itself. hope i'm making sense this is frustrating i need the ones i built not rebuildthanks for the help. it might be something simple i'm just not getting. thanks again.