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RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

Capemedia — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:53:44 GMT

[quote]Of course I have viewed iClones on Youtube - to be honest, I just haven't been too impressed on what I've seen, which means the real movie makers out there haven't been flocking to the program for one reason or another. My recommendations would help open the program to a larger audience. Maybe you two aren't understanding that providing critical feedback in a forum titled, "WISHFUL FEATURES - CRAFT YOUR DREAM TOOL," isn't sufficient. Hmm, again, the title of this forum and the subject we should discuss is "WISHFUL FEATURES - CRAFT YOUR DREAM TOOL."One more time for clarity, WISHFUL FEATURES - CRAFT YOUR DREAM TOOL.Do you guys get it yet??? No. Hmmm. Well, I'll restate it. My wishful features include better presets that would give more flexibility to making movies better [i]and faster[/i]. I don't necessarily want to waste a few hours to make every single basic motion that I need for a movie. Instead of doing that, I can get on with movie making using iClones and all of the other cool features. I'm not asking to change the motion editor so that you remove flexibility, I'm asking to include a larger range of presets?Have you guys ever used a program like After Effects? Just wondering, because the addition of presets is always at the top of user's wish list. Actually, this is what makes the program AWESOME. Really it is. This is why sites like videocopilot have exploded. People can stop spending 20 hours figuring out every single detail and can focus on making cool effects quickly that will enhance the movie making experience, and overall, make a more enjoyable viewing experience for the intended audience. Presets in many programs are very useful. They help you get somewhere without having to reinvent the wheel each time.I guarantee you are in the minority. The reason is because the minority have already purchased the software. The real money for reallusion rest in the audience that hasn't caught on and purchased for one reason or another. My wishlist is that they include more presets that fullfill the same need as did THE MOVIES Presets. I'm not asking for presets only. I'm asking for more genre presets. Again, more presets. Stated again, more presets for the hard of hearing. This would make me happy. This is my wishlist. Wishlist is the topic of the forum. If more people buy and enjoy the program, the community grows. That is what I would like to see. That is what I wish for.Dude, you keep saying that you don't want to argue. I'm not arguing. I'm stating my wish list and providing good solid examples of what the possible effect on the product could be, which are all very positive. This forum topic is titled WISHFUL FEATURES - CRAFT YOUR DREAM TOOL.[/quote]You really are becoming quite annoying with your deliberate provoking for a response and constant disrespect of what iClone members have been trying to do since iClone 1.0. You said in your first post:-[quote][b]admiral202 (6/15/2008)[/b][hr]Another area that surprised me with iClones is the lack of fight motion presets, or really, any valuable range of motion presets to make a full movie - dancing is not really that great for moving making. Reallusion must understand that many of us use other machinima tools such as The Movies. The Movies has a huge list of presets as a video game not originally designed for strict machinima; however, even though it's been out for quite some time, it still has a huge following. I wish the development team would consider iClones as a machinima movie making tool their primary goal.Action Motion Presets that should be standard for a tool designed to make machinima requires preset animations for drama, action, horror, sci-fi, and at least comedy. They should be split into such categories. Someone at Reallusion, please go view the motion presets for The Movies and make some additions to 3.0![/quote]I understand what you mean by presets and I don't agree, simple! However as you point out this forum is about what members want and you have asked for presets.Regarding After Effects, yes I have used it and all my motion graphics and special effects shots are compiled with this application.Now please leave you wish list on the forum, let Reallusion decide if they wish to implement it and try not to alienate other members by posting as if they're stupid.RegardsCapemedia

RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

tyranikal — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:39:27 GMT

point taken on this being wishfull features and yes more motions is always welcomedthe disgreement was with characterization of the movies being better than iclone - i've used both, but the limitations of the movies immediately reared its head - can't get away from spastic motions just trying to set up simple conversations, or having the exact same scenes, movements as another person - i do think the movies is great for setting up background scenes, fillers, and even creating character faces i can map to iclone

RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

Capemedia — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:35:05 GMT

[quote]Again, you're misunderstanding my post. I never claim to be an avid community member; however, it is clear that the community there is much stronger and [i]much, much [/i]larger than here or any other iClones forum.I'm simply weighing the pros and cons of iClones and using facts to emphasize them.[/quote]Well it looks like we are on different wave lengths and we are not going to see eye to eye. Posting on an "iClone" forum and telling us how better another forum is, is a pretty bad show in my book.If "The Movies" wins hands down compared to "iClone" your choice is easy, I don't agree, so we will leave that there.Regarding trying to change aspects of "iClone" to be similar in “preset animations” I implore Reallusion not to do this, as it will take so much away from what "iClone" is evolving into.As Peter has mentioned, I'm sure they will take your views on board.RegardsCapemedia

RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

tyranikal — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:42:07 GMT

come on comparing the two is not even close - the movies is canned, any person can duplicate exactly what another is doing since they both can get from the same canned source - motions cannot go beyond the presetsiclone provides much greater flexibility - and variety - i think the movies is much more suited for those who cannot go outside the box iclone motions are so flexible, you can take existing ones, modify, combine and you get new motions if you don't want to start from scratch and create your ownas for community, go to youtube and see a ton of iclone movies of many different genres

RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

Capemedia — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:25:12 GMT

[quote]You make a lot of good points; however, I can easily point out that you can waste hours upon hours of time making the right moves with motion editor - maybe that's why we have to pay for fighting and other action presets???;)iClones is billed as a moving making tool, so let's see the movies? Yes, you've reiterated the fact that I stated with The Movies being a secondary machinima tool, but really, for Machinima film makers, it IS a primary tool and many users do not play the game, such as myself - we use it strictly for machinima. In fact, isn't it a stretch to say that there are any "primary" Machinima making software, since nearly everything we see within the machnima genre is made from a "game." In fact, when you go to the most popular machinima website, machinima.com, could your point be validated by the fact that there are tons of iClones movies and very few The Movies, movies? The answer is clearly no, because iClones just hasn't caught on for many, many reasons. Presets is one of them, I'm sure - why would a film maker want dancing presents as opposed to fighting or a broader set of action scene presets?? Really, explain that one too me!I wasn't attempting to compare The Movies to iClones because you can't. The Movies wins hands down, even if it is old and hasn't been updated since Stunts and Effects. Goto http://community.lionhead.com/forums/21/ShowForum.aspx and check the forums and compare them to here or coolclones. Their forum is VERY active and people are very open to creative ideas and building any work-arounds necessary to be able to [i]make[/i] movies. iClones could easily build that type of cult following if they adjusted their product strategy. I noticed on the 3.0 update list that exporting iclones to third party software is still a big question mark - huge mistake in my opinion. Why wouldn't you want that?? There are a lot of complementary products out there that would greatly enhance the iClones experience, which would open the product up to a larger marketing audience.Again, you make good points, and I agree that iClones and software like iClones will be the future, but I have found a fairly equal level of user's posting the pros and cons on this site and coolclones.[/quote]We could debate this for days, but I’m not going to get drawn into it and this is not the place to do it (Take from that whatever you like)I used “The Movies” to make a 1 hour film, it had over 10,000 views, so I know the software as I began using it the day it came out in November 2005 and I was an active member of the forums even before this.You also make some valid points, but with “Moviestorm” and “3D Antics” also out there, I have made my choice and I’m happy with it.[quote]Ok, So I checked out part one, fast forwarded a bit, and turned it off. Honestly, who in the world listens to something like that??? Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. This isn't to say that your views are bad - it really has nothing to do with that at all, it's just that the podcast was terrible - sound, music, noise. And the fact that there seemed to be hours and hours of it?? It seems as though you want me to hear your voice by posting the link. Please, post the cliff notes and save us from the travesty that link takes us to.Thanks again. You seem to be a swell guy.AD[/quote]TMOA is the foundation of that active community over there; I’m surprised, as such an avid community member you have never listened?But as I stressed earlier I’m not going to be drawn into any kind of discussion on the matter.We will agree to disagree.All the bestCapemedia :cool:

RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

Capemedia — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:56:51 GMT

[quote][b]admiral202 (6/15/2008)[/b][hr]Another area that surprised me with iClones is the lack of fight motion presets, or really, any valuable range of motion presets to make a full movie - dancing is not really that great for moving making. Reallusion must understand that many of us use other machinima tools such as The Movies. The Movies has a huge list of presets as a video game not originally designed for strict machinima; however, even though it's been out for quite some time, it still has a huge following. I wish the development team would consider iClones as a machinima movie making tool their primary goal.Action Motion Presets that should be standard for a tool designed to make machinima requires preset animations for drama, action, horror, sci-fi, and at least comedy. They should be split into such categories. Someone at Reallusion, please go view the motion presets for The Movies and make some additions to 3.0![/quote]You are kidding right?How can you compare "The Movies" to "iClone"?"The Movies" is a [b]game[/b], a micro management game first, a film making tool second. It has probably one of the worst designed editors I have ever had the mis-pleasure of using and if it wasn't for the dedicated fans, it would have been forgotten years ago. Lionhead gave up on it some time ago and now Microsoft look to have no plans for it. You cannot change the animations (Motion Presets) with ease in "The movies", unless you have a degree in coding and tons of time on your hands. If it wasn't for people like Derobrash making editors and the other modders at DCMF, you wouldn't have what you have to day. "The Movies" owes those people a debt."iClone" has far more to offer then a lack of motions, like proper camera control, control of lighting, far more stable platform, etc, etc. If you want to hear my views of "iClone" v "The Movies" then listen to me on TMOA 16th March 2008 talking about this very subject.http://www.tmoaradio.com/infusions/fs_downloads/fsdownloads.php?action=view&folder_id=1&subfolder=/TMOA%20Show%20Archives/The%20Roger%20and%20Ken%20Show/108-16th%20March%202008/RegardsCapemedia

RE: Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

Peter Edwards — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:40:20 GMT

Thanks for putting forward your suggestions. The views of its users is very important to Reallusion.

I'm not sure if you are using the Studio version but in that you have the Motion Editor for creating any animations you like, and you can also modify the other motions that are available. This makes it possible to achieve exactly the motion you require where a preset may not.

Also in the Content Store there are many, many fighting motions and general movement motions that cover most uses. Sure there is always room for more so letting know your requirements is a great way to influence future packs.

Thanks for taking the time to share your wishful features. :)

Motion Editor - Action/Fight Presets

Test01 — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:19:57 GMT