The sad end of a legend


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By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago

By charly Rama - 3 Years Ago
I've watched on my darkest monitor and it's ok. Great work. May be increase the brightness a little , really a little, not too much. 
By Zeronimo - 3 Years Ago
on my little 24" 2K monitor it looks perfect. Not too dark and not too bright.
waiting for the continuation with impatience. 
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Looks fine to me too. Making it lighter would spoil the atmosphere and light balance. Specifically when he walks away from the spotlight at the door. The difference has to be distinct as it is.
On contrary, I would try to darken vegetation (specially planted bushes). I know, it's hard to get the *right* balance in iClone though.
One way to try is to render a frame in Iray and then attempt to mimic (as close as possible) that in real-time.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, thank you, thank you Smile

What about this? I tried to accomodate @4u2ges and @Charly's remarks. I had exactly the same feeling like @4u2ges about those bushes being too bright, on the other hand the first "prototypes" I made looked more night-like accurate, but were too dark on displays on normal light so I had to increase the brightness as @Charly said. Now I tried to get a better balance and to me looks quite OK - usually, the darkest screens are Apple ones, now I checked only on my iPhone and iPad, but I will see also at work on two different MacPros.


By rosuckmedia - 3 Years Ago
Very nicely done.๐Ÿ˜Š
The lighting is good for me.
Greetings rosuckmedia
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
That is a lot better. Very little difference and I could only visually distinguish it by opening both versions in 2 different tabs and switch back and forth.
But bushes are lot less annoyingly bright, specially when he walks toward the back it's a lot more pleasing. Keep up with the story Smile
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
One more. It is unfortunate what we cannot tweak vegetation texture in iClone. Everything is way too vivid.
We can however in Iray MI scene cache just in case anyone renders Iray.

Compare with the same lights.

Iray Preview:

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/9602cd7c-b89b-49b7-b388-c1b3.png



Manipulated cache texture to the extreme and rendering with MI scene:

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/46405deb-2e22-461f-abb2-6d8f.png


By mark - 3 Years Ago
Amen to "vegetation-texture" control in iClone !!!!!!
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago

mark (5/31/2021)
Amen to "vegetation-texture" control in iClone !!!!!!


We have this 6 years old ticket about planting, but apparently I could not find anything about texture control Ermm

By animagic - 3 Years Ago
4u2ges (6/1/2021)

mark (5/31/2021)
Amen to "vegetation-texture" control in iClone !!!!!!


We have this 6 years old ticket about planting, but apparently I could not find anything about texture control Ermm

It has been mentioned on the forum several times, but it never made it into a feature request.

I think RL would have to use the newer, updated, version of SpeedTrees, similar to the plugins for game engines, which are $19/month. 
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
animagic (6/1/2021)
4u2ges (6/1/2021)

mark (5/31/2021)
Amen to "vegetation-texture" control in iClone !!!!!!


We have this 6 years old ticket about planting, but apparently I could not find anything about texture control Ermm

It has been mentioned on the forum several times, but it never made it into a feature request.

I think RL would have to use the newer, updated, version of SpeedTrees, similar to the plugins for game engines, which are $19/month. 


Yes! Amen to that... Hehe

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, @rosuckmedia, glad you like it Smile

I decided (lol) this will be the final look, I think it's the best compromise I could get between a "night look" and display's brightness in common daylight. I tried including some "bush dithering", meaning planting darker bushes among lighter ones, but did not look well. About vividness @4u2ges mentioned, well, there's also a "psychological" reason for which I will keep it like this: less saturated combined with less contrasted image creates a tense, dark atmosphere, you know, close to sinister, lol; on the opposite, saturated and contrasted image creates a vivid feeling - and this clip will be anything but dark and sad Smile


By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Perfecto Smile
I see you also killed the low grass vividness and re-positioned the cage so it does not penetrate the mop any longer Wink
Lets roll the reel...

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Weeekend work w00t


By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
Nice! And hilarious... BigGrin
With some cool sounds added this will be great.
Made me curious where this shall end up!
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Nicely done. Like he details like that floor board animation. Also wonder where the story would go.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, thank you Smile

@4u2ges There was/is a detail which I wasn't able to fix it: at 1:07+, there are 3 small "holes" in guy's T-shirt back - believe it or not, none of Hide Inner Mesh, Transfer Skin Weights/Conform and Hide Body Mesh fixed it. The same with the shoes, when he "tiptoe" to look in the mailbox, its toes pokes out a bit. It's not first time when I encountered this problem, it's not IC7.9 specific, I think even in 7.6 I saw it.

Apart from this, it seems that Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V keyframe in an object's animation is not working, even if Copy and Paste in the right-click menu are enabled - for clock's pendulum I had to manual set all keyframes.
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
No, no, no.. that is not possible. Here's how to fix those stubborn pocks.
Select a single frame at the timeline where pock has occurred in collect clip, save the pose.
In CC apply that pose. And try to figure it out. Should not be that hard.
Also subdivide character, but tessellate the shirt.
Subdivision shrinks a bit, tessellation expands. Same for the shoes. But shoes the worst.
Worst case scenario, convert both to Accessory and weight again. That fixes things sometimes.
Also mesh hide is not possible not to work.

Copy/paste works fine for me though. Are you trying to paste on empty area without extending a clip first?
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
I've tried all these things already BigGrin I think it's something related with the character itself (as I said, it happened also one or two times last year, IC7.6 or 7.7). Though now I didn't tried to convert to accessory and back, I thought didn't worth the waste of time for three dots BigGrin And for copy paste, of course the clip was extended. When I will have some time, I will make a demo video for each issue and I will post it in the troubleshooting forum.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
@4u2ges
Just made a quick video with hide body mesh issue, maybe you'll figure out something from it Alien


By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
And here's the Ctrl-C/Ctr-V issue:


By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
I might know what happened to the shirt. You probably used Cloth Layer Setting tool.
This thing became buggy at some point. I do not use it anymore. There is also a conflict between Auto-hide and Manually hiding in CC.
Just an example after running collision a few times:

https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/9a71d36e-457a-49c7-9bf5-84af.jpg


Go to Conform and click Reset to Default at the bottom.
Go to Cloth Layer Settings and click Reset Content Settings.

That would leave only what you have manually got hidden. Now whatever you manually hide would be in effect.


About the clock. Did you try to drag and drop with Ctrl and then did you press Play. Sometimes after pasting you have to press play for the key to appear. Happened to me a few times.
You also may want to Sample the clip - (per frame) and then Flatten it to kill ghost keys.
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Hmm, it's like a curse lol.

I am working with the project and encountered the same problem with animation track. Yet worse, I cannot move any bones sometimes at all (it has a complex hierarchy).
What I found though, it was attached to something else. As soon as I detached, deleted animation track and started over, the ability to move bones and copy keys was restored.
Now, this is a bug.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Weekend work: also added most raw core sounds. Quite funny, these raw sounds makes the video to sound (lol) much creepier than expected Smile


By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Oh, I though the house inhabitant would be a legend (or is he?). Yeah a sad end then.
Why you age restricted videos? That girl is still dressed.(?) w00t
By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
Hm, I can't see it. Though I'm logged in it won't play. Pinch
Youtube wants me to log in due age restriction, I do so but it still won't play...

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
toystorylab (6/14/2021)
Hm, I can't see it. Though I'm logged in it won't play. Pinch
Youtube wants me to log in due age restriction, I do so but it still won't play...


Don't know why, one of my teammates tried it at work and had no problems. Anyway, here's the Vimeo link:
https://vimeo.com/559672098
I'm still surprised about the difference in the video quality between YT and Vimeo - after I uploaded it now, I checked the 2K/4K, I cannot say I see a difference between the original and these, especially the colors - at one time I suspected YT is using 4:4:0 colorspace while Vimeo 4:4:2, but I understood it's not the case.

P.S @4u2ges, it's just the beginning of the end, lol Whistling
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Bug fixes and improvements BigGrin



or 
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
And some new footage too... and new bugs to fix next weekend Tongue

CheersExclamation Mark

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
4u2ges (6/22/2021)
and new bugs to fix next weekend Tongue

I will squish them until they will die! Though, squishing bugs is a weekday job, weekends are for new footage BigGrin
Thanks!
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Today's bugfixes BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Don't get me wrong here. I am magnetized by the girl. But that does not stop me from seeing other "things" Hehe
Now I am sure who the guy is - a Tarzan... or Bruce Lee. The way his hand goes trough the table at the end makes me think he is the latter. w00tBigGrin

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Sad I thought that it's so blatantly obvious that nobody would think I didn't observe it BigGrin
Seriously, I was more concerned about curtains - I had to add some rigid dummies there to prevent collision with the windows' frames, and they had different heights due to physics animation. And about the treadmill stopped rolling BigGrin
Regarding the hand-through-table magic, I didn't want to spend time there because I don't know yet how the motion will continue.
By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
cheers BigGrin
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
4u2ges (6/22/2021)
Don't get me wrong here. I am magnetized by the girl. But that does not stop me from seeing other "things" Hehe
Now I am sure who the guy is - a Tarzan... or Bruce Lee. The way his hand goes trough the table at the end makes me think he is the latter. w00tBigGrin

Better now? Cool
https://vimeo.com/559672098
You can skip to 2:55, from there is reworked, though the hand scene it could be possible to scrap it entirely. I reworked from 2:55 because I wanted to solve a potential "goof", the smoke from the opening scene.
P.S I will have to replace those two paintings on the wall Hehe

By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
P.S I will have to replace those two paintings on the wall Hehe

Yes, you should, as well as... oh well, I became sort of quality control lol....
Should I continue, or just shut up? Smile
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Here are the paintings - first time I was thinking about something with the forest, the lodge or some portraits, but then I figured out I can chose something more... appropriate BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Oh yeah, looks a lot better Smile

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Finally, I finished all those furnishings - such a PITA. And, even I was affraid I will have to scrap the "cheers" moment, luckily I found a good continuation for it - @toystorylab, enjoy it BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
So, because the most difficult part is gone, today I just added 20 secs or so "action", lol - @4u2ges, enjoy BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Oh yeah, now it easy. Bare naked - no need to worry about skin pocking through the cloth anymore Wink
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Brought back in action my favorite character BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By TimothyMasters - 3 Years Ago
This was excellent.  I was particularly impressed by his motion.  Walking while carrying those crates was perfect, and the way he reached for and used the key was incredible.  I have yet to master ordinary walking!
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
TimothyMasters (7/2/2021)
This was excellent.  I was particularly impressed by his motion.  Walking while carrying those crates was perfect, and the way he reached for and used the key was incredible.  I have yet to master ordinary walking!

Thank you Smile For me, the most difficult animation task to achieve in all my clips so far was moving in confined spaces, where the smallest gestures (or lack of) are immediately caught and analyzed by the eye. I still don't feel confortable when I have to do this BigGrin
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
ampertox (7/1/2021)
Brought back in action my favorite character BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098



No, no, no!! Not that guy again BigGrin
Too funny, I love him!
By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
Yo, nice evolvement...
Though I would get rid of that mirror, distracts and does not look good.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
I spent almost two days for 15 seconds of video Alien Nothing seemed to work - motions, camera angles, lights, nothing. Finally I did it somehow, though one particular sequence either defies laws of physics or you should be a very skilled waiter to achieve such feat BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By TimothyMasters - 3 Years Ago
Yeah, I sure know about the two-days-15-seconds phenomenon.  After having done a handful of iClone videos, I did the math and figured out that it takes me about 12 hours of work per minute of video.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Weeekend work, another 20 secs BigGrin
I expected to do more, but there are about 30 secs difficult to fill - I know what I will have to do after that, but this "gap" is quite difficult.

https://vimeo.com/559672098
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Today at work I figured out how to fill part of this gap - by adding another, non-human, character; and - voila BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
Nice... Wink
By rosuckmedia - 3 Years Ago
@ampertox
Hi,
A very good work, very Cool ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘
Greetings rosuckmedia
By TimothyMasters - 3 Years Ago
Cute cat!
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, thank you, thank you ๐Ÿค—
I just ditched a bit of cat in favor of a bit of morphing BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By matenn30 - 3 Years Ago
I watched the video. The scenery was real and the plants were dramatically real. Tarzan's voice was full of fun.

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By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
I gave the cat another half second screen time w00t and I turned off the lights in the room - even I was worried about this, the final result looks pretty well.
Next will follow another non-human character BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Wow, that was awesome Smile
Great dynamics with scene/camera change and little details in between.
Dark scene is great and nice reflection off of chinaware.
A cat walk is a little short (I noticed it from the second try). I was looking at something else w00t
Finally.. oh boy, was that just a dream?? Hehe

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, thank you Smile

I just made a small lights adjustment in the "lights off" scene, because I added several more seconds in the same atmosphere - this one looks pretty cool to me, the combination of lights, shadows and colors.
About the cat and walk: I wanted to give her few more seconds - I could not resist the "cat walk" vs "catwalk", lol - but, unfortunately, her walk motion it's very mechanical, only legs are moving, has nothing of catwalk in it, so I decided to let it only as a glimpse, who will observe will laugh, who don't - don't BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
You want a catwalk for a poor cat walk too, you pervert? BigGrin
By charly Rama - 3 Years Ago
Really great work Ampertox, love the lighting and the details, great great,loved the cry of tarzan when opening the fridge BigGrin
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Charly, merci beaucoup! Not as great as yours, but it's improving ๐Ÿค—
P.S 4u2ges - "Pervert" for cat's catwalk? Then check the latest addition BigGrin

https://vimeo.com/559672098

By 3DChick - 3 Years Ago
LOLOLOL! That's fabulous. As a female, I guarantee you tho...my guy brings me pizza and a beverage with an actual flower? I'm so cuddling. 
:-)

By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
nelm2010 (7/20/2021)
LOLOLOL! That's fabulous. As a female, I guarantee you tho...my guy brings me pizza and a beverage with an actual flower? I'm so cuddling. 
:-)

Hahaha, thank you - and thank you for subscribing (though my channel is not very often updated) ๐Ÿค—
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Weekend work: I gave to the cat and dog more screen time and I used some PopcornFX to try to make that kind of cheap blockbuster look BigGrin
https://vimeo.com/559672098
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
I polished and finished the explosion scene, so now in the weekend I could focus on the sad end BigGrin


By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Suppose 9th light is out for now w00tBigGrin
Waiting for the sad end... Ermm

By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
Evolvement is great BigGrin
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, @toystorylab ๐Ÿค—

4u2ges (7/29/2021)
Suppose 9th light is out for now w00tBigGrin

No, it was and it's still there, was always there, driving me crazy - look at the girl's hair, 2:45, 3:08, and 3:53... As workaround I modified hair's physics to don't be flailing so much and in some sequences I adjusted the lights range and multiplier to "cover" the flickering. Even worse was for some trees... Ermm


P.S @toystorylab - you know what I don't like? Seriously - the "Dynasty" sequence. It fits into the song, but somehow it's a dead scene. I cannot say I hate it, but definitely it's the one I like the least.
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
No, it was and it's still there, was always there, driving me crazy


But why struggle? Just replace one Spot Light with GI Emissive and the trouble is gone.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
4u2ges (7/29/2021)Just replace one Spot Light with GI Emissive and the trouble is gone.

GI is turned off - it was even worse with it ON, for terrrain and speedtrees. I'm not bothering to make another demo video, they won't bother to check it anyway.
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
OK, the clip reached the sad end and it's completed BigGrin
The video itself not, because I still need to add the post-credits together with some crazy bits Cool


By toystorylab - 3 Years Ago
Cool, well done! BigGrin https://forum.reallusion.com/uploads/images/09f8c581-c00b-4560-a098-f7ee.png
By Bassline303 - 3 Years Ago
haha , well done !
The end is really sad !  BigGrin
By Zeronimo - 3 Years Ago
excellent work, I loved it, I had a lot of fun throughout the video and the end is surprising. bravo
By 4u2ges - 3 Years Ago
Awesome ending!
The saddest thing is... that it is over. It was fun to follow! Wink
By Amper Sand - 3 Years Ago
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you ๐Ÿค—
By Kabbam - 3 Years Ago
That's some pretty good work. I like the video effect that you have going on. I really like the interaction with picking up and moving things opening doors. Great work