You are correct. The 1700 frames resulted if you had the frame rate set to 30 fps or so. By changing it to 1 fps, the export is sped up. I believe there are 57 actual key frames (57 * 30 = 1710).

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Thanks for the detailed and thoughtful replies guys.

@prahbatM - okay so in the future if I bring in a genesis from anywhere, Daz or my Zbrush folde I just load that Genesis template and not have to do this whole thing all over again. Sounds like the only way to truly navigate around Genesis in iClone is to take a risk and get 3DX5 Pro to test your suggested steps.

@rampa - yep (3) is probably going to be the way to go. Even if a lower-res Daz Genesis could benefit from IC6's new features like tessellation and physx, there is still a lot of other unknowns as to how exportable/ customizable a typical IC6 scene is. I'm keeping the expectations moderate so in case IC6 really doesn't work without 3DX6 I could still do some exercises in the IC5-3DX5pro environment.

@animagic - I didn't even know there is 57 stock Genesis expressions! All I did was making new expressions that I need. Custom freak obviously...

Thanks again.




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Not sure about the Zbrush. Safer to bring in the Zbrush modifications / Morphs to DAZ and then export them as FBX for 3DX/ICLONE.

DAZ has whole range of expressions. Many more from 3rd parties. I would love if ICLONE supports all of them as a "PERFORM feature" attached to an Avatar (with value sliders) inside ICLONE.

ICLONE has a range of STOCK expressions. But they are exaggerated, not as sophisticated and subtle as DAZ STOCK facial expressions.

Yes, also what I'm dreading. My typical DAZ animation workflow is

- customize model and clothing via GoZ (per tweak 4 clicks back & forth)
- animate body movement
- animate face expression with stock/ custom morph, or GoZ (4 clicks per tweak)
- if I want to keep morph expression I make slider and save it (I mostly don't)

No launching of an "editor", no select parts and check boxes, no export, no Zbrush import then export, no import OBJ into 3DX, no morph list click click click to waste my time, no launching IClone. That's like... 24 clicks per custom face expression tweak?

LOL... Obviously it doesn't make any time/energy sense for me to move house to IClone.



Yep. As a product IClone excels in one area, animation; but to export universal animation you have to get Pipeline and STILL put up with the extraordinary IClone-3DX click-fatigue nonsense. Everything else looks like a very dated game, no render plugin or auto-rig gimmick could fix.

Ironically IClone is making me appreciate DAZ a whole lot more.

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Since DAZ is free many people do not take it seriously. It has few amazing possibilities.
Actually, DAZ3D was never conceived to be a competitive 3D package. When Poser was changing hands and was on the verge of shutting down, DAZ created DAZ3D as a "viewer" for their large content created for Poser.

Then a few features were added and one thing led to another...there you have DAZ3D today. If there was a managerial focus, it could be a great competitive 3D Animation package. The Graph mate and Key mate are great addition. And I am yet to see great Toon Shader like DAZ in other packages. One could also do great stuff with a bit of scripting.

But apart from the animation, ICLONE beats DAZ on Quick Rendering - the single most defining factor.

Sketchup free remains popular and used by pro architects. For Zbrush 1.0 users, Zbrush 2/3/4 are free. So they should not be taken seriously?

Another perspective:

Even the free version of Daz provides the basics: Genesis Starter Essentials which is a large content bundle included characters, clothing, scenes and props. Aaccessories in the content creator kit that includes a weight brush map, transfer rigging utility, figure setup, joint editor, Poser format exporter, mass property editor, morph loader, and one-click bridges for ZBrush and Photoshop, FBX, Collada, Alembic...

And texture size 4X what IClone dares to support. Should I mention ambient and displacement map channel for every bodyparts, and Texture Atlas?

All, for free.

IClone free - I mean, basic version... Let's not bother. Let's max it out for the love of illussion. I mean Reallusion.

IClone 5.5 Pro + 3DX5 Pipeline....a $400-500 shelf price...boasting "real-time" rendering...

Cannot even surpass Daz3D's real-time OpenGL lighting.

Okay, let's see, IClone has Puppeteer style animation. Very cool stuff. Wait. Daz has had them for years!

So much for a free bimbo of a tool...

Gee at the rate I'm going I am sounding like a Daz champion.

I can go on. But come on already lol...most seasoned users know IClone is a junior among peers in almost everything except its blind confidence. I'm only here because Daz still have documentation issue and I have some IClone experience. I'm looking for a stage/studio that does faster animation+render, as in IClone-Indigo's render speed. As is IC6's real-time lighting isn't looking that hot either.

It seems so far IClone is nice real-time animation, with unreal-snail-time pipeline. So that's the key deciding factor for me.

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is not free

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Alembic shouldn't be free. Licensing format costs money etc.. Charge accordingly, by all means.

Doesn't detract from the real issue with all the advanced IClone users - keep the Prosumer Edition whole and solid, cripple the Consumer edition and let the content-consumers learn and buy piecemeal upgrades. The other way round is self-sabotaging if the tool is to thrive in the long run.

But okay, since the Daz comparison will never go away...

IF IClone is to be taken seriously as a semi-pro tool it needs to stop revolving its core functionality around its ancient DazStore-wannabe ambition. The market doesn't crave another DazStore or Poser shop whatever (all yawn to me btw). Daz has cornered the content front anyway, and not acting complacent with its real-time rendering front either. Definitely not allowing their forum zealots shoo away existing customers who dare to criticize plentiful Daz flaws! OMG deafening hint!

The market has a TEMPORAL gap for The Ultimate under-$1000 real-time animation suite, not Split-Personality "not sure what I am anymore" suite.




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Any indication that DAZ is working on a Real Time Renderer like that we have in ICLONE ?

Daz 4.7 is proudly announcing "interactive real-time viewport render". Not one to play guinea pig (I'm still not updating to latest stable 4.6 make), so I'm not signing up to find out exactly what that means. It could be Keyshot/Octane style "dynamic" real-time shadow update complete with ambient occlusion and who knows maybe GI (yeah I wish). Maybe just flexing muscle at Poser 2014 with very nice real-time OpenGL shadow since 2013...

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