Intellectual property rights always trigger the most interesting discussions

Bottom line, nothing changes much except that Bigboss products will soon hit the Reallusion online store at the same time they hit the CoolCreators online store and this is good news.

The beauty of it all is that I can prepare the same Promo material for both stores since they are almost completely compatible.Talk about integration!

The community on this forum is very small. There are many potential buyer that only see the Reallusion shelf and never hit the forum. I believe that by posting on the Reallusion shelf, I will have acces to a customer base that I would not have reached otherwise. CoolCreators will continue to buy from either stores and that is great.

So personally, I thank Zack and Reallusion for maintaining the relationship with existing third party online stores.

YUP !

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I know the problem with the .JPG  algorithm. Fact is that some strings does survive, not always but in fact it works quite well.  It also survived as I described to work as a texture and be re rendered and still able to ID the ownership.  "NOT ALWAYS" but rather often..  I am going through the code again, I will probably release the software on White Tiger...

Gorz

  White Tiger Web Shop is not active anylonger, I don't have the time..             

Well I'm not a lawyer Mike but Reallusion does have the services of a legal team. I'm sure this document has been passed by them as to its legality. Adding a proviso to a statement is perfectly valid so I don't think anyone needs to be overly concerned.

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

Thanks for your patience with this thread Peter. I know it can be trying at times sorting through the convoluted mess of posts that hit this forum. Your diligence is appreciated.

WOLF'S TRADING POST IS OPEN COME IN FOR A VISIT

"May you one day see what my eyes have seen...and be better for it" - Wolf
www.wolfzonedigital.com

I sympathize

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Me too!

Of course we have to agree the post was created to hear all possible comments to the new rules.

Now I have a clear understanding of the somewhat strange redaction used in the new rule statement.     I was waiting for this opportunity.

I am happy the works by BigBoss and associates will be now at the RL Store and of course about the welcoming response from Clones2Go and CCC to generously accept my products at their great shelves!

I think any possibility of rivalry or misunderstood competition is dissolved by this measures.

Thanks Pete for you help understanding this all!.

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer

Just to let you know, the EULA has now been updated also.

You can take a look at the new EULA by clicking Here:

Thanks for all the kind words everyone. Feel free to post any questions you may have.

                                                                

Peter
Forum Administrator

www.reallusion.com

I am a computer developer in all areas and one particular area where I want to use iClone is to be able to create ICON:s. It can be as simple as a SAVE or a LOAD ICON or maby support ICON:s  for symbolic or graphically devised software ( assembler ) creating systems. The ICON:s should be embedded in the program core, but as usual any embedded graphics can easily be extracted.

Question:

Can I render let's say 50 ICON:s to a development and embed these into the code? The EULA states that I can not spread image collection:s, question is the embedded ICON:s to be regarded as a collection of images.  I usually use formats like .jpg, .bmp, .gif and some times .ico format.

Question:

Can I render a collection of instruction movies and embed these into the software to clarify and enhance clarity of the softwares ( my developed software:s ) usage?

Question:

If webshops like White Tiger, CoolClones and Clones2GO and others make commercial film clip like I did of two deers in a nature frame, after that I have some other pictures rendered from the same setup as thumbnail and product picture + maby one or two extra for information and service to the customer, I THE BREAK THE EULA AGREMENT!

How do the external web shops suppose to act to make PR within the EULA?????

There is NEVER a question of using iClone or CrazyTalk or derivates of these, always the rendered out from mainly iClone but perhaps also CrazyTalk.

Gorz

P.S. Are you sure it is lawyers who wrote this ? D.S.

  White Tiger Web Shop is not active anylonger, I don't have the time..             

I dislike very much criticising anybody or anything publicly, but I cannot any more sit still.

Peter and Zack,

Reallusion might have a good legal team, with high class legal knowledge and abilities, but it seems to me they are without any business sense.

If we tie our future plans or even parts of it with the future of RA, then the prospects of lawyers forcing iClone to commit commercial suicide is something that needs to be addressed.

At a time, when newer and better softwares are coming up everyday, and every company is trying to increase their reach in every way possible, the RA lawyers seem to be on a spree trying to confine, strangle, and throttle most creative output possibilities of a tool solely and primarily meant for creative output. This is very self-conflicting.

Until now, the efforts had been to make all developers who use RA tools fall in line and align with company sales strategies. That is understandable, though its desirablity would vary from developer to developer. However, it is understandable, because it doesn't affect the commercial popularity of the software to the end user, the consumer who is king. And it ensures rather than endanger the survival of developers tied up with RA. (Though I believe any dreams,like I had, to become the world's richest man by developing iClone content, has been severely hampered).

With the new changes in the EULA of the end user, the lawyers are disregarding the fact that it is the consumer who is king, and trying to dethrone him/her. This spells commercial suicide. The past EULA was far more logical, though I wouldn't waste time going over it clause by clause.

What in effect, the EULA is saying is you can create, but if you use RA software, you cannot enjoy the fruits of your own creation. It is a tacit signal to consumers to look for fairer pastures ( I am surprised that they also did not give the list of current free software which render animation as fast as iClone and with much higher quality output from models and scenes having millions of polygons. I know the list but would not mention in this post for I am not RA's lawyer and wouldn't want to scuttle the prospects of this brilliant software with so many possiblities that are now being lost).

The restriction upon selling video footage in video stocks, of images in clips, now spells a death blow to iClone end-usage. They could have asked that in such productions it always be acknowledged that iClone has been used in part or whole of the production. That would have increased the popularity, visibility, and reach of iClone without scuttling creativity and also maintaining and enhancing the interests of Reallusion. But no, your lawyers (Are they in the pay of other competitor companies, I wonder?) are out for the blood of iClone and iClone consumers, and all they want is to reduce the use and visibility of iClone.

By finally reducing the entire viability of using iClone for content production by the end user, RA's lawyers have successfully turned a professional software to a plaything of casual hobbyists, and turned a "movie machine" to one that produces movies only for home and personal enjoyment. In a highly competitive field where other software hold out the prospects of turning a hobby into a living, RA's lawyers are carefully closing that market to iClone. Hope sells better and fetches a higher price than actual things (ask the politicians), but the hope of doing something with iClone is now being stamped out methodically.

This chapter in iClone history (we do not want iClone itself to become history) would go down as THE GREAT CASTRATION OF CREATIVES BY LUNATICS.

I request the administration of Reallusion to compare the EULAs of Poser, Daz, Vue, and other similar software which have a highly successful market by yourselves and not trust everything to the lawyers. They do not possess business sense and do not see the world from your eyes.

Also check the history of every software company which tied up with Autodesk and ended up in being bought out. See what changes they made to their EULAs before they began to suffer such reduction in sales that they had to allow the takeover bids by Autodesk.

Regards

Surajit

Cloner's Cafe

Oh my God!

I was so tired of this thread I decided not to go and read the new EULA because I thought it would be as confusing and ambiguous as the first version.

After reading Surajit comment I said: "Maybe I have to read this"

And found the same kind of "legalese" mumbo-jumbo, but right there it was:

4. iClone and/or CrazyTalk output may be used, altered, or incorporated according to the guidelines described herein into any work (including broadcast, commercial, industrial, educational, and personal) that is created by YOU provided that work is not then sold or distributed as either a single image, part of clip-art library, or stock video or image collection.

I was so astonished reading this!   I have been training my students to become proficient in iCLone production.  But not to play games.  It was with the intention of providing them with the right knowledge to buy and use a tool good for making movies, videos, educational material and so forth, TO BE SOLD.      ALL THIS IS FORBBIDEN in the new EULA.

Unless of course, tomorrow moderators will come up and say: "Not really... No!  That is not what is said there.  Users can really sell their production.  It's just a matter of understanding better what is NOT said there"

This is unbelievable.  I will have to rethink URGENTLY my teaching programs, and probably redirect my students back to a more classic production approach, because iCLone and CrazyTalk just became a dead end alley, for any remunerative activity.

Hey Peter, hey CloneBot Zack!   Are you SURE the new EULA is supposed to say what it says?

Don't come up telling my I am "over concerned" or "too focused" in that particular paragraph!

Can you come and do a clear explanation and interpretation of this paragraph 4?

I need to know EXACTLY on what grounds are we, not as CCDs but as end users with educational projects already on their way.

I have to recall to your legal department they seem to ignore the principle of Non retroactivity of the law.

All buyers who purchased the mentioned programs under certain EULA are covered by such and not by any new or amended version of it.    Only new buyers would be affected, and if they read paragraph 4 certainly will not buy!

SERIOUS MISTAKE, my dear friends.  As a friend, as a man of experience in the field, since 1973, I can tell you this is the greatest mistake ever made in RL history.

As  CCDs we are seriously affected too.  Who is going to spend money in additional content if he cannot get a return from it?

Mike

Mike Aparicio-Reallusion Certified Innovative Content Developer